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Moorakh, keep ignoring historical proof. Spend less time on internet and read a books or two before saying our Mahaan Bhagats were Hindus or Muslims (what a beadbi).

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I would say probably we need a new topic on this subject, but here are just some example Bhagat Baani's

Bhagat Kabir Jee - Naan Hum Hindu Naan Musalmaan, Allah Raam ke pind paran.

Bhagat Kabir Jee - Kahe Kabir jan bhaye Khalse, raam bhagat teh jaani.

Bhagat Naamdev Jee - Hindu Anna, turku kaana, dohan te giani seyana.

both of the above bhagat's are supposed to be from the Hindu clan, but bhagat's deny it !!!

Similarly, none of the bhagat's popularised as Muslim Bhagat's are in fact Muslims. Read back the historical/socialogical books, people from all faiths used to come to these Peers/Saints. My opinion is once these people so high in spiritual state reach one almighty god, religion concept goes away.

Well said Veerji. The lie that our Bhagats were Hindu+Muslim is spread by Hindutva and Mughals. These type of people claim Guru Nanak Dev Ji was a Hindu because of parents which is just ridiculous. These people deny that Bhai Mardana was Sikh. And they don't realise that Sufi's are regarded as Kaffirs by many Muslims. So Baba Farid Ji who only prayed to Allah but rejected Muhammad for his slavery of innocent human beings was clearly NOT a Muslim. Bhagat Namdev Ji and Bhagat Kabir Ji are totally denying that they are NOT Hindu but Hindutva tries to make up bs to take them out of Sikhi, which they can never do

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Moorakh, keep ignoring historical proof. Spend less time on internet and read a books or two before saying our Mahaan Bhagats were Hindus or Muslims (what a beadbi).

Maha Moorakh , how can calling our Mahaan Bhagats Hindus or Muslims be a beeadbi.

We are blessed to be the most unique religion in the universe which respects all other religions by not just giving lip service but by incorporating

the saying of saints of other religions in Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

Try opening your eyes and read the below.

No Islamic literature could dare to present the strongest contempt for those Muslims who do not offer Nimaz as said by Hazrat Baba Sheikh Farid in Shri Guru Granth Sahib. Hazrat (1175-1265) expired about two and a half-century before Shri Guru Nanak Sahib. Guru Sahib met his eleventh successor Hazrat Ibrahim Farid-I-Sani i.e., the 2nd Farid, collected and preserved his hymns. There is no trace of his hymns anywhere else. After about a hundred years it was included in Shri Guru Granth Sahib, when it was known as “Shri Aad Granth Sahib ”, otherwise this most valuable treasure would have been lost forever.

On page No.1381 it is inscribed that, “O Benimazi (prayer less) dog, this is not a proper way of life. You never come to the Mosque for five times prayers. Get up O Farid, wash your face, hands and legs, and offer the Nimaz in the morning. The head, which does not bow to the Sayeen (God), cut it off (own head) and remove that head. The head, which does not bow before the Sayeen, what is the use of such head? Burn it under the earthen pot in place of firewood”. I have quoted this verse as one example. Otherwise there are many more instructions for Muslims even by the Sikh Gurus to become a true Muslim in accordance with the basic tenet of the Quran in its true letter and spirit.

Shri Guru Granth Sahib is an inter-religious and multi-lingual Universal Scripture of mankind that preaches a Muslim to be a true Muslim and a Hindu to be a true Hindu. And for the Sikh to be above the discrimination of gender, caste, creed, religion, region, nation and breed, a true

- See more at: http://sikhspectrum.com/2008/07/shri-guru-granth-sahib-its-relevance-for-muslims/#sthash.ALyQuhWn.dpuf

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If they were Muslim or Hindu and achieved highest spiritual status then whats need to be Sikhs lol?

I don't care about internet links written by tom d*cks and harries like yourself, quote books by renowned authors.

You have failed to quote a single book and I have given you two books, one dating back to the 17th century and one written by a renowned scholar some time ago.

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Try to understand Guru Granth Sahib, Guru Sahib is in fact condemning the 5 Namaj and telling them to substitute them with virtues. Again, don't think you know it all by reading a few internet pages like Sikhspectrum or Sikhs.org, laughable sources.

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Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh,

Please visit the Gurudwara Sahib in Ayodhya, Uttar Pradesh where the Bhagats under Bhagat Ramanand Ji met Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj.

It's a shame these days we have pacharaks who for reasons only known to themselves continue to tow the line of - Hindu and Muslim Saints instead of what they really were - Sikhs of the True Guru.

Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh

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The biggest shame is people like JSinghNZ who try hard to remain ignorant despite being given more than one solid proof:

a) Gurdwara Guru Ka Bagh in Ayodhya where Bhagats met Guru Nanak Maharaaj

b) Meharbaan Janamsakhi confirming above sakhi

c) Bhagat Bani Ithaas with detailed historical research plus indepth analysis of the Gurbani.

All he has is 2 websites haha. Open your eyes, who needs enemies when we got our own Sikhs turning Bhagats into Hajj loving, Ramadan loving Muslims and Casteist idolater Hindus.

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When a child starts from basics.......he's taught the simplest way possible .....like "urha" "unth" with picture or "a" apple with picture......why?

we all know all bhagats were one and the same, above religion and caste...............but when someone new who doesn't know anything.....to make them understand what actually happened, details are neccessary,,,,,

and waheguru has done kirpa on this Gursikh by having him do HIS sewa.........had he not mentioned the religions, those westerners would have ended up thinking that probably Guru sahib allowed the writings of bhagats from Sikhism only.......

........and also mentioning the religion would just give them base for easy understanding, won't affect the actual spiritual status of Bhagats in any way.......

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Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh,

There is a big difference between simplifying concepts and modifying them.

Anyways this is a different discussion completely so I'm not going to say anymore on the matter.

Bhai Jugraj Singh Ji is doing a great job - May Guru Sahib continue to bless him and grant him further seva.

Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh

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I don't think the bhagats considered themselves to be apart of any religion. Yes, they may have been born in a hindu/muslim family or whatever but since the bhagats had already discovered their mool/origin then that would mean that they knew they weren't just the body or mind so how can a religion define them?

What they really were: na roop hai (no form)... na rang hai (no colour)..., na dharam hai ...(no religion) etc etc. But others from their identity would asscociate them to a religion because they associate from their body and language of who they are.

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Unfortunately Sikhi has been a victim of the liberalisation process that began before 1947 but became the norm after 1947. The Sikh writers, especially those who wrote in English have converted Sikhism into a secular religion just to please the so-called secular leaders of the country.

The above has led to such ridiculous statements which many Sikhs will still make-;

1. Sikhi is not a missionary religion and does not seek converts. It wants Muslims to be good Muslims and Hindus to be good Hindus.

2. Guru Granth Sahib contains the writings of non-Sikhs from both Hindu and Muslim religions.

3. Guru Nanak had a constant companion, Mardana who was a Muslim.

4. The foundation stone of Harmandir Sahib was laid by Syed Mian Mir.

5. Malerkotla rulers have been friends of the Sikhs and they may even be classed a Nanakpanthi

The above may appear good in inter-faith meetings but why should a Muslim or Hindu become a Sikh when according to the liberal Sikhs, Sikhism wants them to remain in their religions.

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Open day camps to teach meditation in English, recite Gurbani.

millionssssss of Britons are disillusioned with life. uncertainty with careers/economics, huge divorce rates, sexualised culture running at a million miles an hour.

no time to stop and think...

I went to the Buddhist center in Birmingham to join a friend in his meditation class.

Guess what??!!

it was packed!!!!!

and no Buddhists.. mostly average people from all walks of life, all ages.

The class was brilliant, no mantr or relgious pressure.

We need to do similar classes in our Gurdwaras - sit down, meditate on Waheguru, teach others the beauty of NAAM..

Don't talk about rules of religions- people walk away, instead talk about immersing their souls with the Almighty.

Put an advert out in local paper, Gumtree.. teach it properly and you'll have 100's of people changing their lives and remembering waheguru

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VJKKVJKF,

Our new project is called "Sikhi Awareness For Everyone (SAFE)". Its talking to the average person on the street about Sikhi, without the intention to convert, but to raise awareness about Guruji's message. We've made this leaflet called, "3 Facts about Sikhi" and are talking people through them. There are other leaflets planned too.

Here are some videos ji, sangat who wish to support us by sponsoring printing material etc can do so at

British Couple Learn about Sikhi

My favourite one - British women praise Sikhi

HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED:

(1) Sponsor leaflets and Parchar desks: http://www.everythings13.org/donate

(2) Become a member of Street Team: Raise awareness at your local gurdwara and town. We'll be spreading this across the UK and other countries. info@everythings13.org

(3) Order some leaflets for your Gurdwara or youth organisation: Email as above.

Thanks ji

VJKK VJKF

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Wahguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Paji you are LEGEND! What you continue to do, your seva, is plain amazing. I'm kicking myself for not attending the 'Why Sikhi Course' last summer. Thank you so much for taking up this seva.

PS, PLEASE come up north! Huddersfield needs you!! :)

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

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