Pakistanis Claiming Their Ancestors Were Sikh.. Need The Truth

[mrggg123]

Ive spoken to a few Pakistanis who claim their ancestors converted from Sikhism, ie their great great grandfather etc... I always thought it was Hindus who converted to islam as a few hundred years ago Sikhi was so strong I wouldn't have thought it would be possible to break a Sikhs faith espc during the Sikh empire etc to islam.

Also (although off topic) do you think a civil war is inventible in the Uk between Pakistanis and everyone else? Do think its a muslim problem in Britain or a Pakistani Islamic problem because I know other muslims who behave much belter than Pakistanis in the Uk, Also compare Pakistanis in America and Canada with Uk they worse than Sikhs there.

[Shamshere]

The only Sikhs who would have converted to Islam are those who were left behind in Pakistan after partition. Also you have dumb girls here in the uk who also leave due to love jihad.

In India the only people leave Sikhi are the poor ones who are tricked by missionaries.

Then you have people like Nicki Haley who left it to further her political career.

[Mehtab Singh]

I met a similar dude in college who was a Pakistani Punjabi and said his ancestors were Sikhs. Don't trust these guys, they are taught 100% fake history in their schools. Off late their own intellectuals as well as youth have exposed this and both are lamenting now.

See the fourth video I posted here: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/72640-attitude-comments-muslimspakistani-guys/?p=592481

[mrggg123]

ok thanks for the videos. Also my friend is from Islamabad he says hes a raja 'rajput' and that his great great grandfather converted or something :s don't understand how someone would have converted during that time...

[proactive]

No Muslim wants to have Hindu ancestors. The ones who have money and are prosperous can claim to have Arab or Central Asian ancestors but the ones who are poor or whose Punjabi ancestry is beyond a doubt such as Jats and Rajputs they claim to have Sikh ancestors because having Hindu ancestors is seen as a big insult.

Seeing the amount of Pakistani Muslims there are claiming Sikh ancestry then it would seem that the Sikhs in the 18th century must have been a Majority in Punjab!

[Mehtab Singh]

ok thanks for the videos. Also my friend is from Islamabad he says hes a raja 'rajput' and that his great great grandfather converted or something :s don't understand how someone would have converted during that time...

Both Jatts and Rajputs embraced both Islam and Sikhism, which is why you will see common surnames/gothras. For example, I know of both Pakistanis and Sikhs who have surnames such as Virk, Warraich, Cheema and even Sandhu, all of which are Jatt surnames/gothras. Its same with Rajputs. Your friend is most likely a descendant of those Rajputs who were forcibly converted or who willfully converted once they were offered jageers by their Muslim masters.

[chatanga]

i met a sandhu muslim, who said that her grandfather was a sikh. i thought at the time he was one of those who wished to stay in pakistan, as many did, and indeed convert to islam.

[JasSinghKhalsa]

Pakistani Muslims claim their ancestors were Sikhs,

Hindus claim Sikhs ancestors were Hindus.

So, Pakistani Muslims ancestors were Hindus, .

[Jonny101]

No Muslim wants to have Hindu ancestors. The ones who have money and are prosperous can claim to have Arab or Central Asian ancestors but the ones who are poor or whose Punjabi ancestry is beyond a doubt such as Jats and Rajputs they claim to have Sikh ancestors because having Hindu ancestors is seen as a big insult.

Seeing the amount of Pakistani Muslims there are claiming Sikh ancestry then it would seem that the Sikhs in the 18th century must have been a Majority in Punjab!

True. I remember reading a very informative article in the Pakistani army magazine called defense journal some years ago. The author of the article mentioned exactly what you have said. He said in that in the Pakistani army they will always claim they have central Asian or Arab ancestry. But for those that cannot deny their indigenous Punjabi origins i.e. Jats, Rajputs and other castes will likely claim they have Sikh ancestry since Sikhs are viewed as being a martial people. But it is considered an absolute disgrace for a Muslim to claim Hindu ancestry because that is an admission that they are descendants of people who were forcibly converted to Islam while it is unheard of for a Sikh converting to Islam through force.

That is what I mean by inferiority complex. They are ashamed of their true ancestry and will claim Martian ancestry if they could. Even those who claim central Asian or Arab descent are indirectly admitting that their foreign ancestor was a Muslim warrior who likely kidnapped or raped a Hindu slave woman who then got pregnant. That in my opinion is even more disgraceful. Not too long ago I was debating a Pakistani over the internet about this very issue. He claimed he was a Punjabi "Pathan". I asked what is a Punjabi Pathan? he said his ancestors were warriors who came to India and raped Hindu women. I replied so you are admitting you are a result of rape! when he realized how disgraceful that sounded, he then claimed Hindus freely gave their daughters in marriage to invading Muslims which we know is very unlikely.

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A Sikh whether he is a descendant of a Hindu or Muslim or whatever will never be ashamed of his ancestry because they became Sikhs on their own free will.

[Hindustani]

I was debating an afghan about this very issue. He basically said we (afghans) are khan sahib to you guys. And I asked him do you know where khan comes from? Obviously, people do not know but here it is. The Buddhist Mongols decimated afghanistan and they were called the great kahns. While decimating afghanistan Ghengiz Kahn PERSONALLY fathered much of the afghan tribes - these fools were so in awe of their kahn father that they took his surname.

True! Look it up.