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Vaheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa VAheguroo Ji Ki Fateh.

I'm looking looking for answers but would appreciate sangat's views. I'm an Amritdhaari and thinking of becoming a vegan. On a journey home from work it just hit me how much sense it makes to become vegans, and that it's still disturbing that we are still using animal products as vegetarians. So this is something (Guroo Kirpa) I 100% see my self doing in the future.

My only concern is what about at the Gurdwara and stuff? I doubt many Gurdware have vegan friendly Degh and langar and stuff. Should I not accept Degh?

Views please.

Vaheguroo.

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Guru's philosophy (Gurmat) is vegeterianism not Vegan. Especially living in the UK with its poor weather/pollution and where you are already not getting fresh fruit and veg and everything is processed and has chemicals in. Its not a good idea. Veganism is just extreme form of choosing your diet. Gurmat is vegetarian but its no big deal if you wanna be vegan, just make sure you are getting all your nutrients.

I doubt it will help spiritually. Spiritualy its all about making the effort naam/gurbani abyaas, satsang, amrit vela, rehat

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Why not raise your own cattle if you are so concerned.

What kind of cars do you drive? Do you know how much pollution is created by farming your veg and fruit at the mass scale it is done today.

Do you know the farming employees are put at risk and are paid very little to grow your veg and fruits.

It is good that people are waking up to the treatment of farm animals. However dont turn a blind eye to the poor farm employee who will get cancer by picking your fruit and veg because he or the 5 year old child is not given proper protection from the toxic chemicals applied to plants.

Not all fruit and veg farmers are the same. Same goes for cattle farmers that produce milk.

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Vaheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa VAheguroo Ji Ki Fateh.

I'm looking looking for answers but would appreciate sangat's views. I'm an Amritdhaari and thinking of becoming a vegan. On a journey home from work it just hit me how much sense it makes to become vegans, and that it's still disturbing that we are still using animal products as vegetarians. So this is something (Guroo Kirpa) I 100% see my self doing in the future.

My only concern is what about at the Gurdwara and stuff? I doubt many Gurdware have vegan friendly Degh and langar and stuff. Should I not accept Degh?

Views please.

Vaheguroo.

Food is not important, NAAM is !

ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਮੇਰੈ ਕੀਏ ॥

Karam Dhharam Prabh Maerai Keeeae ||

करम धरम प्रभि मेरै कीए ॥

My God created religious rituals.

10 ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੪੫ ਪੰ. ੬

Raag Parbhati Guru Nanak Dev Page:1345 Line: 6

ਨਾਮੁ ਵਡਾਈ ਸਿਰਿ ਕਰਮਾਂ ਕੀਏ ॥੪॥

Naam Vaddaaee Sir Karamaan Keeeae ||4||

नामु वडाई सिरि करमां कीए ॥४॥

He placed the glory of the Naam above these rituals. ||4||

11 ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੪੫ ਪੰ. ੭

Raag Parbhati Guru Nanak Dev Page:1345 Line: 7

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Same message is repeated in this Shabad

http://searchgurbani.com/scriptures/ggs_shabad/2463/line/2

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Why Sikhs ignore the horrific treatment of animals for dairy, I don't know. Move with the times, would the Guru support the dairy industry today people?

Good on you OP, encourage others too. I don't know about degh, personally I would take it and do ardaas that it was okay to do so.

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Vaheguroo.

Some very interesting replies.

Barinder Singh - I drive a nice eco friendly car that doesn't create alot of pollution - thanks for asking. I see where you are coming from. I try to grow my own fruit when I can and like to go picking apples and stuff. I'm really just trying to do as least damage to everyone as possible lol.

Questioner - I totally agree that Guroo Sahib would probably want everyone to be vegan now. If I take degh isn't that being a part time vegan? I know Gursikhs that use vegan products and replacements in Degh - the taste is immense. But nowadays it's just random people at the Gurdwara who dont read Bani when making Degh - so is it really that bad if I don't take it? I've got far worse things to worry about in my jeevan rather than not taking a piece of degh.

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Do you know the farming employees are put at risk and are paid very little to grow your veg and fruits.

It is good that people are waking up to the treatment of farm animals. However dont turn a blind eye to the poor farm employee who will get cancer by picking your fruit and veg because he or the 5 year old child is not given proper protection from the toxic chemicals applied to plants.

Not all fruit and veg farmers are the same. Same goes for cattle farmers that produce milk.

Veer barinder singh you can not be more misinformed , you know jover 80% of fertile land in North America is used for crops that directly go into feeding factory farm live stock - the crops are soy and corn

We will employ much less farm workers if the world went vegan ...also will leave lots of forests uncut and be able to reslove food hunger

Also you can wash off fertilizers but what do you do with all the growth hormones , antibiotics and steroids that are in dairy and meat ?

Food is not important, NAAM is !

Roza thare Manave Allho Svadat jee Sanghare

Aapa dekh avar nahi dekhe , kahe ko jakh mare

You observe religious fasting yet you butcher beings to satiate your taste buds

You are concerned about self and not others, why engage in meaningless activities

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Vaheguroo.

Some very interesting replies.

Barinder Singh - I drive a nice eco friendly car that doesn't create alot of pollution - thanks for asking. I see where you are coming from. I try to grow my own fruit when I can and like to go picking apples and stuff. I'm really just trying to do as least damage to everyone as possible lol.

Questioner - I totally agree that Guroo Sahib would probably want everyone to be vegan now. If I take degh isn't that being a part time vegan? I know Gursikhs that use vegan products and replacements in Degh - the taste is immense. But nowadays it's just random people at the Gurdwara who dont read Bani when making Degh - so is it really that bad if I don't take it? I've got far worse things to worry about in my jeevan rather than not taking a piece of degh.

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Wjkk wjkf.

Waheguru ji, Cant say no go degh. Who is ardaas and bhog done by/in front of? I know intentions are truely good but please never place yourself above sangat. Other then that, nothing wrong with going vegan.

Waheguru

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Questioner - I totally agree that Guroo Sahib would probably want everyone to be vegan now. If I take degh isn't that being a part time vegan? I know Gursikhs that use vegan products and replacements in Degh - the taste is immense. But nowadays it's just random people at the Gurdwara who dont read Bani when making Degh - so is it really that bad if I don't take it? I've got far worse things to worry about in my jeevan rather than not taking a piece of degh.

Don't know jee. I tried veganism and during that time I didn't take degh, of course, and Gursikhs were horrified at this. So I assumed it's a bigger deal than I understand.

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[Food is not important, NAAM is ! ]

ਮਃ ੧ ॥

मः १ ॥

Mėhlā 1.

First Mehl:

xxx

xxx

ਕਿਆ ਖਾਧੈ ਕਿਆ ਪੈਧੈ ਹੋਇ ॥

किआ खाधै किआ पैधै होइ ॥

Ki▫ā kẖāḏẖai ki▫ā paiḏẖai ho▫e.

What good is food, and what good are clothes,

xxx

(ਸੋਹਣੇ ਭੋਜਨ) ਖਾਣ ਤੇ (ਸੋਹਣੇ ਕਪੜੇ) ਹੰਢਾਣ ਦਾ ਕੀਹ ਸੁਆਦ?

ਜਾ ਮਨਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਸਚਾ ਸੋਇ ॥

जा मनि नाही सचा सोइ ॥

Jā man nāhī sacẖā so▫e.

if the True Lord does not abide within the mind?

xxx

ਜੇ ਉਹ ਸੱਚਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਵੱਸਦਾ, (ਜਿਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹਨ)।

ਕਿਆ ਮੇਵਾ ਕਿਆ ਘਿਉ ਗੁੜੁ ਮਿਠਾ ਕਿਆ ਮੈਦਾ ਕਿਆ ਮਾਸੁ ॥

किआ मेवा किआ घिउ गुड़ु मिठा किआ मैदा किआ मासु ॥

Ki▫ā mevā ki▫ā gẖi▫o guṛ miṯẖā ki▫ā maiḏā ki▫ā mās.

What good are fruits, what good is ghee, sweet jaggery, what good is flour, and what good is meat?

xxx

ਕੀਹ ਹੋਇਆ ਜੇ ਮੇਵੇ, ਘਿਉ, ਮਿੱਠਾ ਗੁੜ ਮੈਦਾ ਤੇ ਮਾਸ ਆਦਿਕ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਵਰਤੇ?

ਕਿਆ ਕਪੜੁ ਕਿਆ ਸੇਜ ਸੁਖਾਲੀ ਕੀਜਹਿ ਭੋਗ ਬਿਲਾਸ ॥

किआ कपड़ु किआ सेज सुखाली कीजहि भोग बिलास ॥

Ki▫ā kapaṛ ki▫ā sej sukẖālī kījėh bẖog bilās.

What good are clothes, and what good is a soft bed, to enjoy pleasures and sensual delights?

ਕੀਜਹਿ = ਕੀਤੇ ਜਾਣ। ਭੋਗ ਬਿਲਾਸ = ਰੰਗ-ਰਲੀਆਂ।

ਕੀ ਹੋਇਆ ਜੇ (ਸੋਹਣੇ) ਕੱਪੜੇ ਤੇ ਸੌਖੀ ਸੇਜ ਮਿਲ ਗਈ ਤੇ ਜੇ ਮੌਜਾਂ ਮਾਣ ਲਈਆਂ?

ਕਿਆ ਲਸਕਰ ਕਿਆ ਨੇਬ ਖਵਾਸੀ ਆਵੈ ਮਹਲੀ ਵਾਸੁ ॥

किआ लसकर किआ नेब खवासी आवै महली वासु ॥

Ki▫ā laskar ki▫ā neb kẖavāsī āvai mahlī vās.

What good is an army, and what good are soldiers, servants and mansions to live in?

ਨੇਬ = ਚੋਬਦਾਰ। ਖਵਾਸੀ = ਚੌਰੀ-ਬਰਦਾਰ।

ਤਾਂ ਕੀਹ ਬਣ ਗਿਆ ਜੇ ਫ਼ੌਜ, ਚੋਬਦਾਰ, ਚੋਰੀ-ਬਰਦਾਰ ਮਿਲ ਗਏ ਤੇ ਮਹਲਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਵੱਸਣਾ ਨਸੀਬ ਹੋਇਆ?

ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚੇ ਨਾਮ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਭੇ ਟੋਲ ਵਿਣਾਸੁ ॥੨॥

नानक सचे नाम विणु सभे टोल विणासु ॥२॥

Nānak sacẖe nām viṇ sabẖe tol viṇās. ||2||

O Nanak, without the True Name, all this paraphernalia shall disappear. ||2||

ਟੋਲ = ਪਦਾਰਥ ॥੨॥

ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਾਰੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਨਾਸਵੰਤ ਹਨ ॥੨॥

Source - http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=1&fb=0&Param=142

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[Food is not important, NAAM is ! ]

ਮਃ ੧ ॥

मः १ ॥

Mėhlā 1.

First Mehl:

xxx

xxx

ਕਿਆ ਖਾਧੈ ਕਿਆ ਪੈਧੈ ਹੋਇ ॥

किआ खाधै किआ पैधै होइ ॥

Ki▫ā kẖāḏẖai ki▫ā paiḏẖai ho▫e.

What good is food, and what good are clothes,

xxx

(ਸੋਹਣੇ ਭੋਜਨ) ਖਾਣ ਤੇ (ਸੋਹਣੇ ਕਪੜੇ) ਹੰਢਾਣ ਦਾ ਕੀਹ ਸੁਆਦ?

ਜਾ ਮਨਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਸਚਾ ਸੋਇ ॥

जा मनि नाही सचा सोइ ॥

Jā man nāhī sacẖā so▫e.

if the True Lord does not abide within the mind?

xxx

ਜੇ ਉਹ ਸੱਚਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਵੱਸਦਾ, (ਜਿਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹਨ)।

ਕਿਆ ਮੇਵਾ ਕਿਆ ਘਿਉ ਗੁੜੁ ਮਿਠਾ ਕਿਆ ਮੈਦਾ ਕਿਆ ਮਾਸੁ ॥

किआ मेवा किआ घिउ गुड़ु मिठा किआ मैदा किआ मासु ॥

Ki▫ā mevā ki▫ā gẖi▫o guṛ miṯẖā ki▫ā maiḏā ki▫ā mās.

What good are fruits, what good is ghee, sweet jaggery, what good is flour, and what good is meat?

xxx

ਕੀਹ ਹੋਇਆ ਜੇ ਮੇਵੇ, ਘਿਉ, ਮਿੱਠਾ ਗੁੜ ਮੈਦਾ ਤੇ ਮਾਸ ਆਦਿਕ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਵਰਤੇ?

ਕਿਆ ਕਪੜੁ ਕਿਆ ਸੇਜ ਸੁਖਾਲੀ ਕੀਜਹਿ ਭੋਗ ਬਿਲਾਸ ॥

किआ कपड़ु किआ सेज सुखाली कीजहि भोग बिलास ॥

Ki▫ā kapaṛ ki▫ā sej sukẖālī kījėh bẖog bilās.

What good are clothes, and what good is a soft bed, to enjoy pleasures and sensual delights?

ਕੀਜਹਿ = ਕੀਤੇ ਜਾਣ। ਭੋਗ ਬਿਲਾਸ = ਰੰਗ-ਰਲੀਆਂ।

ਕੀ ਹੋਇਆ ਜੇ (ਸੋਹਣੇ) ਕੱਪੜੇ ਤੇ ਸੌਖੀ ਸੇਜ ਮਿਲ ਗਈ ਤੇ ਜੇ ਮੌਜਾਂ ਮਾਣ ਲਈਆਂ?

ਕਿਆ ਲਸਕਰ ਕਿਆ ਨੇਬ ਖਵਾਸੀ ਆਵੈ ਮਹਲੀ ਵਾਸੁ ॥

किआ लसकर किआ नेब खवासी आवै महली वासु ॥

Ki▫ā laskar ki▫ā neb kẖavāsī āvai mahlī vās.

What good is an army, and what good are soldiers, servants and mansions to live in?

ਨੇਬ = ਚੋਬਦਾਰ। ਖਵਾਸੀ = ਚੌਰੀ-ਬਰਦਾਰ।

ਤਾਂ ਕੀਹ ਬਣ ਗਿਆ ਜੇ ਫ਼ੌਜ, ਚੋਬਦਾਰ, ਚੋਰੀ-ਬਰਦਾਰ ਮਿਲ ਗਏ ਤੇ ਮਹਲਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਵੱਸਣਾ ਨਸੀਬ ਹੋਇਆ?

ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚੇ ਨਾਮ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਭੇ ਟੋਲ ਵਿਣਾਸੁ ॥੨॥

नानक सचे नाम विणु सभे टोल विणासु ॥२॥

Nānak sacẖe nām viṇ sabẖe tol viṇās. ||2||

O Nanak, without the True Name, all this paraphernalia shall disappear. ||2||

ਟੋਲ = ਪਦਾਰਥ ॥੨॥

ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਾਰੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਨਾਸਵੰਤ ਹਨ ॥੨॥

Source - http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=1&fb=0&Param=142

It is true NAAM is important but it is also important to be compassionate. After looking at how animals are treated at slaughterhouses, should Sikhs really support such practices?

Becoming Vegan or vegetarian should be an ethical decision not religious.

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Naam is number one or of utmost importance.

No Dharam-Karam can equal that !

Compassion (Daya) is encouraged, becoming vegan or vegetarian is cool but this won't even get Mukti then what about even higher stage "CHARAN KAMAL KI MAUJ"

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