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Akaal Ji Sahai,

In the UK we have a current polarized view of inter-faith Anand Karajs: some for; some against. Whenever a wedding is planned between an engaged pair, clearly in love, turning up to the Gurdwara with Nimrita, Love and Respect, with their families, they're met with crowds of Sikh yout, angry, chests out, displaying aggression, intimidation and causing a rukus; protesting the Anand Karaj's

Is this all the Singhs are good for nowaways? Stopping weddings? Got nothing better do than acting bad, chests out stopping weddings?

Where are these wastemans when 276 Nigerian girls have been kidnapped by Boko Haram Terrorists in Nigeria? When drugs are being peddled in streets? When girls are being raped and being made sex slaves? Where these "rudeboys" when fighting ISIS and standing up for TRUE injustice. When it's time to give Shaheedi for truth and justice? When they're actually needed?

Stopping weddings pales in comparisons to what these mice in lions outfits should be doing...

I feel all these wastemans / wannabe Singhstas are good for is scaring bacharey (who don't even know nothing, mean no disrespect) at weddings and people who are looking to get married. The gorey already think religious people are extreme - we don't need to blacken the name of Sikhism and make ourselves out like all the islamists.

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So, these families are so full of love, so full of nimarta and so full of respect ? For who ? For their Guru? No. For their faith ? No. For Sikhi ? No. Just for show, just to get over the form

You are absolutely right.

It is an abuse of the sanctity of the Guru Ghar for a Sikh to wed a non-Sikh within its confines. On this point I have to disagree with the OP. However, the guy has something of a point, and you are

Just for show, just to get over the formality before the sharaab and disco partying starts in earnest. That is the love that is being shown, NOT for Guru.

I agree with the above in principle.

I edited the rest of my post because I was generalising too much, lol.

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To be honest, I don't take the O.P. seriously at all. If your going to make lies and say GurSikhs don't love their Guru, then I want you to look yourself in the mirror.

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Good post OP. Sikhs are nowhere near what they used to be. When u consider what the shaheeds even in 1984 were like and did and then compare their attitudes to the attitudes of nowadays Sikhs it's insane.

It's not enough to practice truth and not be bit*hy not lie not be a bad soul only in times of dukh. Service has to be in dukh and sukh- and in Peace (Sehaj).

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Akaal Ji Sahai,

In the UK we have a current polarized view of inter-faith Anand Karajs: some for; some against. Whenever a wedding is planned between an engaged pair, clearly in love, turning up to the Gurdwara with Nimrita, Love and Respect, with their families, they're met with crowds of Sikh yout, angry, chests out, displaying aggression, intimidation and causing a rukus; protesting the Anand Karaj's

Is this all the Singhs are good for nowaways? Stopping weddings? Got nothing better do than acting bad, chests out stopping weddings?

Where are these wastemans when 276 Nigerian girls have been kidnapped by Boko Haram Terrorists in Nigeria? When drugs are being peddled in streets? When girls are being raped and being made sex slaves? Where these "rudeboys" when fighting ISIS and standing up for TRUE injustice. When it's time to give Shaheedi for truth and justice? When they're actually needed?

Stopping weddings pales in comparisons to what these mice in lions outfits should be doing...

I feel all these wastemans / wannabe Singhstas are good for is scaring bacharey (who don't even know nothing, mean no disrespect) at weddings and people who are looking to get married. The gorey already think religious people are extreme - we don't need to blacken the name of Sikhism and make ourselves out like all the islamists.

This sort of thing is very common in India especially Punjab

http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/watch-when-shahid-kapoor-mira-rajput-exchanged-vows-in-gurduwara-wedding/

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_0121Do1_Singh Bhai Sahib i agree with you 100%

We have bigger priorities that need focussing upon:

like drugs, alcohol, female infanticide, biraderi apartheid, illiteracy, cancer and poverty afflicting members of the Panth.

But instead harassing new Sikhs (which is what those bowing down before Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj with a sincere heart by virtue of marrying by Anand Karaj become) has become the fashionable focal point of attention for some people who don't realise that Sikhi grew in leaps and bounds thanks to Anand Karaj sewa in the past.

When 99% of the population in the UK and Canada are non-Sikhs (with Sikhs being an even smaller minority in other diaspora countries) it's inevitable that year after year these types of marriages will increase, no matter the protests.

For example a young bride of previously Hindu background by virtue of having Anand Karaj recently became Sikh but rather than wishing the newly married Sikh couple well it was considered a destruction of Sikhi bigger than the drugs, alcohol, female infanticide, biraderi apartheid, illiteracy, cancer and poverty affecting millions within our Panth. Why can we not engage with young couple's to increase their links to Sikhi rather than alienate them (particularly where a spouse is not of an aggressively proselytising Abrahamic cult background in which women are considered inferior)?

The question is how do we turn something that could be a demographic time bomb for the community into something that links more and more ordinary people to Sikhi through this. Such marriages are increasing year after year which is an unstoppable reality that can't be ignored by blocking the odd marriage or two and the couples in all cases then severing all links with Sikhi for their future children (who should not be denied Sikhi regardless of what we might think of the parents). The consequences of exclusion would be that the Sikh Diaspora population would be less than half its current size within a generation. Hundreds of thousands of new Sikhs came into Sikhi during the Singh Sabha era as a result of free Anand Karaj sewa that was free from the discrimination of so-called self-styled "high caste" Muslim Qureshi caste Qazi's and Brahmin Hindu Pandits. Those were the days when the Sikh population was rising sharply.

We need to get to grips with reality that a 1% minority will always have members marrying those of other backgrounds.

It's all ultimately about ensuring that the children of such marriages have strong links to their Gurdwara and feel an integral part of the Sikh Panth. This is exactly what happened a hundred years ago when even both spouses comprising non-Sikh couples were given the blessing of Anand Karaj at local Akali Singh Sabha Lehar Gurdwara's and I'm Sikh today as a direct result of this historical reality.

Instead of focussing on this issue, I would humbly request Sangat that it's more important that with our efforts we unite the Panth into having only a single saanjha united Sangat Gurdwara in every pind in Punjab and locality in the West. When matrimonial apartheid in biraderi terms has not been stamped out 316years after 1699, we can only expect an ever higher number of so-called mixed marriages to occur in the future if we do nothing to tackle this anti-Gurmat discrimination. Particularly in the context of Sikhs being likely to fall below 50% of the east Punjab population by the time of the 2021 census if all Mazhabi & Ravidassia Sikhs currently are converted into Balmiki Mandirs & Dera Ballan followers as has aggressively occurred in the last 4 years but has been happening all the way back since 1980 when DamDami Taksal fatefully made the unforgivable mistake to support Indira Gandhi & Congress in the 1980 elections.

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It is amusing how these couples and their families bow down to Guru Sahib Ji with a sincere heart and nimarta. The truth is far from this.

These people have NO love for Guru Ji or Sikhi. It is just a matter of a big show off -

Keep beard just for the anand karaj then as soon as it is done, shave it off in the toilets - is this bowing down to Guru Ji?

Hold a 3 foot kirpan in the gurdwara and then dance the night away - is this bowing to Guru Ji ?

Tie pag in the gurdwara and then throw it off as soon as it is over - is this bowing to Guru Ji ?

The bride hardly has her head covered while doing the lava - is this showing respect to Guru Ji ?

If you want to show respect then become Sikh first. Then nobody can even throw an angry glance at you.

When a non Jew wants to marry a Jew he/she has to go through a rigorous test. They get tested on Jewish law and history, they have to convert before the Jew will marry him or her.

When a muslim marries outside he/she demands that the partner converts first, only then they marry.

What do we do? We have none Sikhs come into the gurdwara, make solemn promises infront of Guru Ji - make solemn pact with Guru Ji with full ardaas. Then go off forget about it and party all night.

So why are we such idiots ? Why do we not demand that the partner converts first ?

That is the state of affairs with us, and we get people come on here and complain that some Sikhs are making a stand against this. You should hang you heads in shame.

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Bundha Bhai Sahib (respect to you as an artist btw) but have you fully thought this through?

So there are 5 million Sikhs in this generation of marriageable age (let's assume for argument's sake).

Remarkably only 20% find a spouse who doesn't happen to be born in a Sikh family background (despite the populations of the two main diaspora bastions of Sikh populations ie the UK and Canada being 99% non-Sikh and even India itself supposedly being 98% non-Sikh).

So OK via your method people like you stand at the gates and ruin the most joyous day of a couple's life.

And you successfully ban 1 million erstwhile Sikhs (of the 5million = 20%) from having an Anand Karaj at a Gurdwara.

The consequence of which is that the couple and all their future generations are lost from Sikhi permanently.

Via these tactics the Diaspora Sikh populations will be half of what they currently are within just 2 generations.

It's an absolute no-brainer (demographically and morally) as to why we need to focus on drugs, alcohol, female infanticide, biraderi apartheid, illiteracy, cancer and poverty as the bigger threats to the Sikh Panth.

And focus on welcoming all so-called mixed couples into the Panth so that they and even more importantly their children feel an integral part of the Sikh Panth which is universal and inclusive in outlook.

I would not be Sikh today if people had stopped my non-Sikh ancestors from having been blessed with an Anand Karaj as recently ago as the 20th century. Millions of non-Sikhs came into Sikhi through the blessing of Anand Karaj.

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