A Very Worrying And Disturbing Question, Needing To Be Answered...

[Akalifauj]

About the shaking while doing simran: I personally sometimes shake even while doing nitnem because I feel as if I am going to snap out of this sansar, and I don't want that yet, so I shake willingly just to have control over my body. Most Brahmgianis do NOT shake, they stay still in complete bliss. They probably have shaken in the past, but after a while you start to stay still and go into samadhi..

Is your body going to snap out of this world and into Mars because they recently found water there?

To original poster, if you want to progress in Sikhi meditate on Gurbani and do simran and follow the teachings in Gurbani. There is nothing in this nonsense. Damn Christian preachers are taking Christians for their money in a similar manner. If these teachers want a shake, step in a boxing ring and let's see what these fake people have in them.

[simran345]

Thanku Harsharan paji, the gold ring falling in the drain is a good example. Very well explained ji, similar to how I would think it.

Past post for the OP:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/72156-shaking-while-meditating/

SadSingh paji is right you should ask the person there, because if he doesn't know then who else does.

ਗੁਰਸਿਖਾਂ ਕੀ ਹਰਿ ਧੂੜਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਹਮ ਪਾਪੀ ਭੀ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਂਹਿ

Gurasikhaan Kee Har Dhhoorr Dhaehi Ham Paapee Bhee Gath Paanhi|

गुरसिखां की हरि धूड़ि देहि हम पापी भी गति पांहि

I am a sinner, O Lord bless me with the dust of the Feet of Gurmukhs, so that I can attain salvation

Beautiful shabad ji.

ਮਾਧੋ ਹਮ ਐਸੇ ਤੂ ਐਸਾ ਸੋਰਠਿ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

[sikhni777]

This comes from a site that practice meditation (not simran)

There may be odd bodily twistings, obsession with posture, and painful tensions or strange other sensations, particularly in the back, neck, jaw and shoulders. These tensions may persist when not meditating and be quite irritating and even debilitating. The rhomboid and trapezius muscles are the most common offenders. It is common to try to sit with good posture and then find one’s body twisting into some odd and painful position. You straighten out, and soon enough it does it again. That’s a very Three Characteristics sort of pattern. People sometimes describe these feelings as some powerful energy that is blocked and seems wants to get out or move through.

As the mind gains speed at really seeing each of the sensations of the mind and body come and go, the jerkiness from cause and effect can get quite rapid and pronounced. These physical movements and spasms seem to help break up the physical tension that may sometimes accompany this stage, and are a sign of progress.

The full article is here

http://www.dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/dharma-wiki/-/wiki/Main/MCTB%203.%20The%20Three%20Characteristics

[sikhni777]

A more logical explanation is here

(this is from a chinese site)

Actually, the external vibration and shaking phenomena is one-half mystical and one-half psychological in origins. There is a definite wind chi or energy component to the problem, and a definite causality due to self-suggestion. As can be seen in the case studies from How to Measure and Deepen Your Spiritual Realization, many times people invent various scenarios in their mind which they work out or express through meditation gong-fu without knowing it consciously.

In this case, the people who experience this shaking are trying to unwind because they have too muchnervous tension, but they don't even recognize it . Now that their mind is stilled, their body and chi has a chance to unwind. This subconscious nervous tension most often causes the trembling of nerves and muscles. Then the hint of those subconscious influences enter the conscious mind where they are amplified and the tremors, trembling and vibrations become enhanced. A person can then start to shake and move their limbs about in a regular pattern, even assuming yoga positions or dance-like movements.

It's usually the case that ordinary people cannot determine the real cause behind these trembling sensations. Some fear it's a sign from God. Others fear it's the work of the devil. Some think it's something mystical from a past life or that yoga was invented this way. Others believe they have developed divine powers or that their chi channels are opening and they indulge in these things, amplifying them even more.

Not only are all these wrong, but the worst case is when someone stops their meditation because of these results. All it's showing is pent-up stress, NERVOUS TENSION and psychological auto-suggestion that amplifies this problem as it's finding an outlet. The real problems come when people over-indulge in these things and try to turn them into something mystical, as happens in religious cults.

When this sort of shaking occurs, the real chi of the body CANNOT enter in the front and back, tu-mai and jen-mai chi channels because it's preoccupied with circulation amidst the shaking limbs, ligaments and muscles.

So does that mean it's wrong?

No. It's just happening as a form of release, and if you are cultivating your mind and body to a state of health, let it go, let it unwind as a natural outlet to dissipate nervous tension. You should quiet your mind and relax, elevating yourself above this level of phenomena, so as to enter a state of mental quietude. Don't think it's anything unusual except REAL proof you DO need meditation. Don't amplify the phenomena but try to enter a deeper state of quietude, forget the body, and the nervous tension will subside and leave for good after a few times.

That's what you want.

The full article is here

http://www.meditationexpert.com/yoga-kung-fu/y_vibrations_caused_by_yoga_meditation_techniques_are_chi_channels_opening.htm

[simran345]

Nice article Sikhni777 penji. It kind of resembles what Harsharan paji explained about the chakras. The funny thing is with my health condition I've had those symptoms without meditation too so then it's difficult to distinguish what's the health condition or what's the effects of Simran lol. I agree with quietening the mind and relaxing, rather than getting into a frenzy when it happens. That what I did was just paused and looked at others around me and tried to relax, then things calmed down.

[harsharan000]

Just to make a point,

when I was referring in a post above, of the dhoor of the Gursikhs, Gurmukhs ... it was not of the material dust or dhoor of these mahapukhs.

Because this dhoor is material, is made from one of the 5 tattwas from which this mayvee creation is made. And as such is inert with no spiritual value at all.

When Guru Jee, mentions the dhoor of a Gurmukh, they mean the spiritual dhoor .

So now what is this dhoor or where to get it?

This dhoor is obtained by keeping Sadh kee Sangat, and it is their amrit madhoor bachans, their Sat gyan of Gurbani, with which, we dye our minds in the colour of Naam and Shabad.

And the more we keep their Sangat, the stronger the dyeing on us of His atee Kirpa and beant Daya Meher, which is also known as Gur Parsad.

Sat See Akal.

[simran345]

Just to make a point,

when I was referring in a post above, of the dhoor of the Gursikhs, Gurmukhs ... it was not of the material dust or dhoor of these mahapukhs.

Because this dhoor is material, is made from one of the 5 tattwas from which this mayvee creation is made. And as such is inert with no spiritual value at all.

When Guru Jee, mentions the dhoor of a Gurmukh, they mean the spiritual dhoor .

So now what is this dhoor or where to get it?

This dhoor is obtained by keeping Sadh kee Sangat, and it is their amrit madhoor bachans, their Sat gyan of Gurbani, with which, we dye our minds in the colour of Naam and Shabad.

And the more we keep their Sangat, the stronger the dyeing on us of His atee Kirpa and beant Daya Meher, which is also known as Gur Parsad.

Sat See Akal.

Hanji Harsharan paji but which Mahapurkhs sorryji I didn't understand that bit?

[harsharan000]

Hanji Harsharan paji, but which Mahapurkhs, sorryji I didn't understand that bit?

Simran Jee,

hats off, for this your such a beautiful and a brave question.

And for it, Gurbani has still a more beautiful answer.

For the Bani does not give any name or surname of anybody in particular, but definetely it can not be more clear and precise.

The Bani beautifully and in simple words says: Sadh Sangat othey janeeye, jithe Iko Naam vakhaniye.

That place, where the mahima is sung of Naam alone, know it to be the true Sadh kee Sangat.

Pen Jee, a true Gurmukh, is someone who has realized Wahiguru within, or better said, is one already with Him. And the proof of this comunion with Him, is that, he tells us according to the Bani at all times, that withdraw your attention, and cut your attachments from this mayevee creation, which you love so much, and for which you even fight and give your life for it, or even take life in name of so called dharam...

True Dharam, true karam, is only that jugtee, that bandagee, which takes us near towards Wahiguru. Not away.

Killing or suiciding in god´s name, is a sin, and as such, this will pull us to the hell like a powerful magnet. Because, nowhere in the Bani is written, by killing or dying for him, will take us to His darbar, rather, only, and only if we do His bhajan bandagee. So if we die, and do not do His bhajan bandagee, how will we ever merge in Him?

Have we ever stopped to think over this?

You see, the manmukhs, are mixing Gurmat with dirty politics and cultural aspects, thus diverting the goal, the purpose of Gurbani, and we happily follow them, it is like blind following blind.

What is the result of this? Well, a sure pifall, which will never allow us to merge in Him.

Gurbani, is the most perfect spiritual science, with no failures, but only a guarantee of becoming one with Him, if only we follow it implicitly.

If we feel, we are not reaching our goal, that is because we are polluted with misconceptions, by twisting the Bani to our manmat, not necesasarily done by us, but by the so called leaders.

So you see, that is for which we are advised Sadh kee Sangat, not because of anything else, but because we come to understand the real value of the paviter Gurbani, and only then, we strengthen our faith and love in Wahiguru Akal Purukh, and thus engage in the true bandagee or devotion, which is per Bani: Naam sumiran.

For this devotion, we do not have to do anything special, neither go anywhere, neither leave family, job, house, etc...

Because the Bani says : Har mandir eheu sareer hae, gyan ratan pargat hoe.

Our human body is the real temple, the real Gurdwara, where Sachay Patshah Wahiguru resides, there we knock at His door, by His Simran, and when He thinks fit for us, He opens the doors for us to enter within. Only that much is in our hands. we have to lay down as kookars at His door, when He the Malik, is pleased with us, He will let us in. We can only do ardaas in the form of Simran, we can not force Him, or manipulate Him, with our chaturaee.

To do His Simran for His realization, is His hukum, so naturally there is no second way, or third way, to have his Darshan and merge in Him.

Apart from this, everything else is paraphernalia.

Saacha Naao, Saacha Sahib. This is the only Truth.

Sat Sree Akal.

[simran345]

Hanji Harsharan Paji, you are right we are the beggars and Daata ji are the Giver. Kookar tere dar da Daataji ??.

Lovely explanation ji, one need not go anywhere to search for Waheguru. One must explore inside theirselves to realise God is everywhere and as you said with their Grace they bless fortunate ones. ?

ਗੂਜਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

गूजरी महला ५ ॥

Gūjrī mėhlā 5.

Goojaree, Fifth Mehl:

ਤੂੰ ਦਾਤਾ ਜੀਆ ਸਭਨਾ ਕਾ ਬਸਹੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਮਾਹੀ ॥

तूं दाता जीआ सभना का बसहु मेरे मन माही ॥

Ŧūʼn ḏāṯā jī▫ā sabẖnā kā bashu mere man māhī.

You are the Giver of all beings; please, come to dwell within my mind.

ਚਰਣ ਕਮਲ ਰਿਦ ਮਾਹਿ ਸਮਾਏ ਤਹ ਭਰਮੁ ਅੰਧੇਰਾ ਨਾਹੀ ॥੧॥

चरण कमल रिद माहि समाए तह भरमु अंधेरा नाही ॥१॥

Cẖaraṇ kamal riḏ māhi samā▫e ṯah bẖaram anḏẖerā nāhī. ||1||

That heart, within which Your lotus feet are enshrined, suffers no darkness or doubt. ||1||

ਠਾਕੁਰ ਜਾ ਸਿਮਰਾ ਤੂੰ ਤਾਹੀ ॥

ठाकुर जा सिमरा तूं ताही ॥

Ŧẖākur jā simrā ṯūʼn ṯāhī.

O Lord Master, wherever I remember You, there I find You.

ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਸਰਬ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲਕ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਉ ਸਦਾ ਸਲਾਹੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

करि किरपा सरब प्रतिपालक प्रभ कउ सदा सलाही ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Kar kirpā sarab parṯipālak parabẖ ka▫o saḏā salāhī. ||1|| rahā▫o.

Show Mercy to me, O God, Cherisher of all, that I may sing Your Praises forever. ||1||Pause||

SGGS Ang 499 ??Guru Arjan Dev ji

[Guest A skih]

Do not think much.

Sometimes, people want to be famous.

They may attract the attention of others

by way of doing some extra ordinary.

Nothing more. Hope, understand.