Do Shaheeds Get Mukhti (Liberation) ?

[Guest Satnaam]

Nice Quote Simran :)

[simran345]

Nice Quote Simran :)

Thank you ji it's Bhagat Kabir jis words ??, I heard it whilst listening to a video.

[Akalifauj]

You guys have to understand that there are 2 types of mukhti referred to in Gurbani. However, you may well find other texts with 3,4, or 5 types,...but in gurbani there is two....and that is all we should be concerned with.

1st) First is Mukti from Lakh chaurasi cycle. This means the coming and going, the avaa -->jaana. This cycle of life and death can be escaped with Naam. Once you get naam, once you merge with the naam, then you can be mukht at this level. My understanding is that this does not mean you are merged with Akaal purakh, this means merging with the naam.

Japji sahib describes the "maniye" that are at the door of waheguru's nijh ghar. This is where the shaheeds are, the devi devte's,, the angels, heavenly beings..etc...

All of these higher realms are experienced on the way to the door of Akaal purakh.

2nd Mukhti is the ultimate merging of one with Akaal purakh, the joti jyot, when you are completely dissolved back into the Mool and your Identity is completely gone. Remember that whilst in heavens like the shaheeds, devi devte's etc... you will still have some identity. You can remain there for eternity doing sift salah or you may want to merge completely into waheguru. In this case you Have to take human birth because this is the only joon out of the lakh chaurasi where you can do abyaas and bandagi

Gurbani says the following about Naam and mukhti:

so har jan naam dhhiaaeidhaa har har jan eik samaan || That humble servant of the Lord meditates on the Naam, the Name of the Lord; the Lord, and the Lord's humble servant, are one and the same.

ang 652

The atma (soul) merges with Vaheguru through Naam and becomes one with Vaheguru. Read the above provided lines, Guru Sahib says it clearly. Anyone who has doubts read the whole salok on ang 652 of Sri Guru Raam Das ji. Life is too short to make up all these theories of how to obtain mukhti. Simply read Gurbani and the answers are right there. Life is not an exam where the material of how to attain mukhti is hidden from the learner at the time of the exam. Although some try to benefit financially by fooling others it is. Satguru gave us Gurbani; the direct answers to all of our problems. Today computers have made reading Gurbani even easier by providing search engines that allow for anyone to look up certain words and phrases in Gurbani.

[Guest Jivan mukht]

When u realise that you're one with God, you're free.

If u realise nirboah and nirvai in each and very moment,you're always jivan mukht.

[N30S1NGH]

This thread might be an help:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/73019-mukti/

[Guest True]

When u realise that you're one with God, you're free.

If u realise nirboah and nirvai in each and very moment,you're always jivan mukht.

With regards to the above: hence for as long as a Shaheed practices Truth, whether he is in Sachkandh or not, then he is Free/ Jivan Mukht.

Truth isn't something that we become, it's something that really, we already are. All we need to do is to live in the realisation of our True State and we're free from the illusion that we are trapped.

The second a shaheed stops practicing Truth, even in Sachkandh, his frequency lowers and he is no longer in this state of mind. Hence, he rightfully belongs in the lower realms/ lower realms of consciousness.

[Akalifauj]

With regards to the above: hence for as long as a Shaheed practices Truth, whether he is in Sachkandh or not, then he is Free/ Jivan Mukht.

Truth isn't something that we become, it's something that really, we already are. All we need to do is to live in the realisation of our True State and we're free from the illusion that we are trapped.

The second a shaheed stops practicing Truth, even in Sachkandh, his frequency lowers and he is no longer in this state of mind. Hence, he rightfully belongs in the lower realms/ lower realms of consciousness.

Is there any evidence to back up what you have said above? No one should accept the above without evidence.

[Guest True]

Yes-

Gurbani says practice Truth- Naam 24 hours a day, 24/7.

That's all the evidence needed.

God created earth in between the heaven and hell realms, as per gurbani, and sikhs know that with Truth practice, we rise in frequency- and climb up the realms.

Why would it be different for a shaheed? An angel or a shaheed isnt one anymore if theyre running around sinning are they?

[Akalifauj]

Yes-

Gurbani says practice Truth- Naam 24 hours a day, 24/7.

That's all the evidence needed.

If this is the only evidence needed why do you continue to write more and state the below statements?

God created earth in between the heaven and hell realms, as per gurbani, and sikhs know that with Truth practice, we rise in frequency- and climb up the realms.

Why would it be different for a shaheed? An angel or a shaheed isnt one anymore if theyre running around sinning are they?

You have made assumptions and I believe you don't see what assumptions you are making. Let me help you here. You say:

With regards to the above: hence for as long as a Shaheed practices Truth, whether he is in Sachkandh or not, then he is Free/ Jivan Mukht.

The second a shaheed stops practicing Truth, even in Sachkandh, his frequency lowers and he is no longer in this state of mind. Hence, he rightfully belongs in the lower realms/ lower realms of consciousness.

Where in Gurbani does it say a Shaheed who has reached Sachkand can stop practicing truth? Where does this doubt/separation/stop practicing truth come from in the Shaheeds mind if he is truly in sachkhand (one with Akal Purakh)? Again provide Gurbani specific shabads so we can explore the reality of Gurbani and not someones opinion on shaheeds.

You saying Gurbani says to do simran 24/7 is not evidence for your earlier claims. If it is, then I can say the world is moving around the sun because the grizzly bear roars on top of the mountains. A person with less intelligence can say the earth moves because the grizzly bear scares it into moving or the earth moves around the sun because the grizzly bears is the master of the earth and the bear wanted to sleep so the sun will stop shinning on the grizzly bears side.

[Guest True]

If this is the only evidence needed why do you continue to write more and state the below statements?

You have made assumptions and I believe you don't see what assumptions you are making. Let me help you here. You say:

Where in Gurbani does it say a Shaheed who has reached Sachkand can stop practicing truth? Where does this doubt/separation/stop practicing truth come from in the Shaheeds mind if he is truly in sachkhand (one with Akal Purakh)? Again provide Gurbani specific shabads so we can explore the reality of Gurbani and not someones opinion on shaheeds.

You saying Gurbani says to do simran 24/7 is not evidence for your earlier claims. If it is, then I can say the world is moving around the sun because the grizzly bear roars on top of the mountains. A person with less intelligence can say the earth moves because the grizzly bear scares it into moving or the earth moves around the sun because the grizzly bears is the master of the earth and the bear wanted to sleep so the sun will stop shinning on the grizzly bears side.

I was expanding on the statement made first. I stand by it, Gurbani says practice Truth 24/7. Hence, if you stop, you're not accepting gurbani 100%, so why would you be in sachkandh?

We are able to become jivan mukht on this earth. God and godesses fell, Dasam Granth Sahib Ji teaches us this, so why would it be different for any other soul, if all souls are the same. If you practice Truth on this earth and are hence in a sachkandh psychology, as the Gurus and brahmgyanis were, and then fell for a moment, would you say that you would still have the psychology of sachkandh residents?