Do Shaheeds Get Mukhti (Liberation) ?

[Guest True]

My earlier post was not posted so could someone Please post this one- Gods watching, please dont waste time out of this precious janam that I spent thousands of Janams to attain.

As I said in my previous post

No being Regardless of Angel, Demon, Guru, Saint, whoever is liberated without practicing Truth in Each Moment.

When u practice Truth, your recognising you're already free. So in that Moment, you're free from the illusion- You're Jivan Mukht.

A saint could be sitting in Sachkandh and become selfish and greedy. In that Moment, he's fallen, and in that Moment, hes in Truth, already free, but he hasnt realised it, otherwise he wouldn't be thinking a silly thought- he'd be living in the bliss of Truth recognition.

Please post this Admin, ive wasted so much time on here with my posts not being put up.

[harsharan000]

If you're a saint in Sachkandh, and you start being a selfish fool, then youve sold yourself out to Maya and you've fallen.

Dear Truth Jee,

to this your line written above, if you do not mind, let us see it from the sikhee point of view.

We all very well know that the Bani says: Sach Khand vasay Nirankar.

So you see, first of all, in Sach Khand there are no saints, no Gurmukhs, no Guru Sahibans ..... only Ik Oankar, Satnam, Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

And so whenever He has come at our level, He has always been a wise, a perfect noble, humble and truthful loving being ...if not, just look at any of our Guru Sahibans, or the other Bhagat Jan mentioned in the Bani

Maybe, you are reffering to those frauds, dongee babas, who like snakes change their attire, but their venom of agyanta is very much present in them.

Their is a famous saying which goes as follows :even if a monkey is dressed in silk, it remains a monkey ....

So you see, it is not the outer conditions or looks of people in general we have to take in account to judge them, but if they themselves practice and inspire others, that eternal Truth, which you mention in your post above, which is none other dyeing in His Name...because it is the only jugtee which removes our haume, our vikaars, our huge amount of karmas gathered in countless births ...and the account of our karmas still go on increase witout any limitations...

When will we moorakhs, learn to do that unique bhakti as per Gurmat?

Sat Sree Akal.

[simran345]

ਧਰਮ ਖੰਡ ਕਾ ਏਹੋ ਧਰਮੁ ॥

धरम खंड का एहो धरमु ॥

Ḏẖaram kẖand kā eho ḏẖaram.

This aforesaid is the moral duty of the realm of righteousness.

ਗਿਆਨ ਖੰਡ ਕਾ ਆਖਹੁ ਕਰਮੁ ॥

गिआन खंड का आखहु करमु ॥

Gi▫ān kẖand kā ākẖhu karam.

Now I describe the doings of the realm of knowledge.

ਕੇਤੇ ਪਵਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਵੈਸੰਤਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕਾਨ ਮਹੇਸ ॥

केते पवण पाणी वैसंतर केते कान महेस ॥

Keṯe pavaṇ pāṇī vaisanṯar keṯe kān mahes.

Good many are winds, waters, fires and good many Krishanas and Shivas.

ਕੇਤੇ ਬਰਮੇ ਘਾੜਤਿ ਘੜੀਅਹਿ ਰੂਪ ਰੰਗ ਕੇ ਵੇਸ ॥

केते बरमे घाड़ति घड़ीअहि रूप रंग के वेस ॥

Keṯe barme gẖāṛaṯ gẖaṛī▫ahi rūp rang ke ves.

There are many Barhmas, who are fashioning forms, and many beauties, colours and raiments.

ਕੇਤੀਆ ਕਰਮ ਭੂਮੀ ਮੇਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਧੂ ਉਪਦੇਸ ॥

केतीआ करम भूमी मेर केते केते धू उपदेस ॥

Keṯī▫ā karam bẖūmī mer keṯe keṯe ḏẖū upḏes.

Numberless are the earths and the mountains for doing virtuous deeds and numberless over numberless Dhrus, the instruction receivers.

ਕੇਤੇ ਇੰਦ ਚੰਦ ਸੂਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਮੰਡਲ ਦੇਸ ॥

केते इंद चंद सूर केते केते मंडल देस ॥

Keṯe inḏ cẖanḏ sūr keṯe keṯe mandal ḏes.

Numberless are Indras, the moons the suns, numberless universes and numberless countries.

ਕੇਤੇ ਸਿਧ ਬੁਧ ਨਾਥ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਦੇਵੀ ਵੇਸ ॥

केते सिध बुध नाथ केते केते देवी वेस ॥

Keṯe siḏẖ buḏẖ nāth keṯe keṯe ḏevī ves.

Innumerable there are proficients, Gautamas, great yogis and innumerable over innumerable the forms of goddesses.

ਕੇਤੇ ਦੇਵ ਦਾਨਵ ਮੁਨਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਰਤਨ ਸਮੁੰਦ ॥

केते देव दानव मुनि केते केते रतन समुंद ॥

Keṯe ḏev ḏānav mun keṯe keṯe raṯan samunḏ.

How many deities, demons and silent sages and how many over many oceans and jewels.

ਕੇਤੀਆ ਖਾਣੀ ਕੇਤੀਆ ਬਾਣੀ ਕੇਤੇ ਪਾਤ ਨਰਿੰਦ ॥

केतीआ खाणी केतीआ बाणी केते पात नरिंद ॥

Keṯī▫ā kẖāṇī keṯī▫ā baṇī keṯe pāṯ narinḏ.

How many the mines of production, languages and many the dynasties of kings (or masters of men).

ਕੇਤੀਆ ਸੁਰਤੀ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੇਤੇ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਅੰਤੁ ॥੩੫॥

केतीआ सुरती सेवक केते नानक अंतु न अंतु ॥३५॥

Keṯī▫ā surṯī sevak keṯe Nānak anṯ na anṯ. ||35||

Countless are the men of Divine knowledge and countless the servants of God. O Nanak! there is no limit to His bounds.

ਗਿਆਨ ਖੰਡ ਮਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਪਰਚੰਡੁ ॥

गिआन खंड महि गिआनु परचंडु ॥

Gi▫ān kẖand mėh gi▫ān parcẖand.

In the domain of knowledge Divine deliberation is greatly resplendent.

ਤਿਥੈ ਨਾਦ ਬਿਨੋਦ ਕੋਡ ਅਨੰਦੁ ॥

तिथै नाद बिनोद कोड अनंदु ॥

Ŧithai nāḏ binoḏ kod anand.

Celestial strain resounds there from whom myriads of amusements and joys proceed.

ਸਰਮ ਖੰਡ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਰੂਪੁ ॥

सरम खंड की बाणी रूपु ॥

Saram kẖand kī baṇī rūp.

Beauty is the language of the realm of spiritual effort.

ਤਿਥੈ ਘਾੜਤਿ ਘੜੀਐ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਅਨੂਪੁ ॥

तिथै घाड़ति घड़ीऐ बहुतु अनूपु ॥

Ŧithai gẖāṛaṯ gẖaṛī▫ai bahuṯ anūp.

There, an extremely incomparable make, is made.

ਤਾ ਕੀਆ ਗਲਾ ਕਥੀਆ ਨਾ ਜਾਹਿ ॥

ता कीआ गला कथीआ ना जाहि ॥

Ŧā kī▫ā galā kathī▫ā nā jāhi.

The proceedings of that place can not be described.

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਪਿਛੈ ਪਛੁਤਾਇ ॥

जे को कहै पिछै पछुताइ ॥

Je ko kahai picẖẖai pacẖẖuṯā▫e.

If any one endeavors to describe, he shall afterwards repent.

ਤਿਥੈ ਘੜੀਐ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਮਤਿ ਮਨਿ ਬੁਧਿ ॥

तिथै घड़ीऐ सुरति मति मनि बुधि ॥

Ŧithai gẖaṛī▫ai suraṯ maṯ man buḏẖ.

There inner consciousness, intellect, soul and understand are moulded afresh.

ਤਿਥੈ ਘੜੀਐ ਸੁਰਾ ਸਿਧਾ ਕੀ ਸੁਧਿ ॥੩੬॥

तिथै घड़ीऐ सुरा सिधा की सुधि ॥३६॥

Ŧithai gẖaṛī▫ai surā siḏẖā kī suḏẖ. ||36||

There the genius of the pious persons and men of miracles is moulded a new.

ਕਰਮ ਖੰਡ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਜੋਰੁ ॥

करम खंड की बाणी जोरु ॥

Karam kẖand kī baṇī jor.

There is spiritual force in the language (of the man) of the realm of grace.

ਤਿਥੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ਹੋਰੁ ॥ तिथै होरु न कोई होरु ॥

Ŧithai hor na ko▫ī hor.

(Except those mentioned below) no one else resides in that domain.

ਤਿਥੈ ਜੋਧ ਮਹਾਬਲ ਸੂਰ ॥

तिथै जोध महाबल सूर ॥

Ŧithai joḏẖ mahābal sūr.

The very powerful warriors and heroes dwell there.

ਤਿਨ ਮਹਿ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਰਪੂਰ ॥

तिन महि रामु रहिआ भरपूर ॥

Ŧin mėh rām rahi▫ā bẖarpūr.

Within them the might of the all pervading Lord remains fully filled.

ਤਿਥੈ ਸੀਤੋ ਸੀਤਾ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਮਾਹਿ ॥

तिथै सीतो सीता महिमा माहि ॥

Ŧithai sīṯo sīṯā mahimā māhi.

They, who are fully sewn in the Lord's admiration, abide there.

ਤਾ ਕੇ ਰੂਪ ਨ ਕਥਨੇ ਜਾਹਿ ॥

ता के रूप न कथने जाहि ॥

Ŧā ke rūp na kathne jāhi.

Their beauty cannot be narrated.

ਨਾ ਓਹਿ ਮਰਹਿ ਨ ਠਾਗੇ ਜਾਹਿ ॥

ना ओहि मरहि न ठागे जाहि ॥

Nā ohi marėh na ṯẖāge jāhi.

They, die not and nor are they hood-winked,

ਜਿਨ ਕੈ ਰਾਮੁ ਵਸੈ ਮਨ ਮਾਹਿ ॥

जिन कै रामु वसै मन माहि ॥

Jin kai rām vasai man māhi.

in whose hearts God abides.

ਤਿਥੈ ਭਗਤ ਵਸਹਿ ਕੇ ਲੋਅ ॥

तिथै भगत वसहि के लोअ ॥

Ŧithai bẖagaṯ vasėh ke lo▫a.

The saints of various worlds dwell there.

ਕਰਹਿ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਸਚਾ ਮਨਿ ਸੋਇ ॥

करहि अनंदु सचा मनि सोइ ॥

Karahi anand sacẖā man so▫e.

They make merry, That True Lord is in their hearts.

ਸਚ ਖੰਡਿ ਵਸੈ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ॥

सच खंडि वसै निरंकारु ॥

Sacẖ kẖand vasai nirankār.

In the realm of Truth abides the Formless Lord.

ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਨਦਰਿ ਨਿਹਾਲ ॥

करि करि वेखै नदरि निहाल ॥

Kar kar vekẖai naḏar nihāl.

God beholds the creation which He has created and renders them happy when He casts upon the beings His merciful glance.

ਤਿਥੈ ਖੰਡ ਮੰਡਲ ਵਰਭੰਡ ॥

तिथै खंड मंडल वरभंड ॥

Ŧithai kẖand mandal varbẖand.

In that realm there are continents, worlds and solar systems.

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਕਥੈ ਤ ਅੰਤ ਨ ਅੰਤ ॥

जे को कथै त अंत न अंत ॥

Je ko kathai ṯa anṯ na anṯ.

if some one tries to describe them, he should know that there are no limits or bounds of them.

ਤਿਥੈ ਲੋਅ ਲੋਅ ਆਕਾਰ ॥

तिथै लोअ लोअ आकार ॥

Ŧithai lo▫a lo▫a ākār.

There are universes upon universes and creations over creations.

ਜਿਵ ਜਿਵ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਤਿਵੈ ਤਿਵ ਕਾਰ ॥

जिव जिव हुकमु तिवै तिव कार ॥

Jiv jiv hukam ṯivai ṯiv kār.

As is the Master's mandate, so are their functions.

ਵੇਖੈ ਵਿਗਸੈ ਕਰਿ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥

वेखै विगसै करि वीचारु ॥

vekẖai vigsai kar vīcẖār.

The Lord beholds His creation and feels happy by contemplating over it.

ਨਾਨਕ ਕਥਨਾ ਕਰੜਾ ਸਾਰੁ ॥੩੭॥

नानक कथना करड़ा सारु ॥३७॥

Nānak kathnā karṛā sār. ||37||

O Nanak! to describe the realm of truth is hard like iron.

ਜਤੁ ਪਾਹਾਰਾ ਧੀਰਜੁ ਸੁਨਿਆਰੁ ॥

जतु पाहारा धीरजु सुनिआरु ॥

Jaṯ pāhārā ḏẖīraj suni▫ār.

Make continence thy furnace, patience thy goldsmith,

ਅਹਰਣਿ ਮਤਿ ਵੇਦੁ ਹਥੀਆਰੁ ॥

अहरणि मति वेदु हथीआरु ॥

Ahraṇ maṯ veḏ hathī▫ār.

understanding thy anvil, Divine knowledge thy tools,

ਭਉ ਖਲਾ ਅਗਨਿ ਤਪ ਤਾਉ ॥

भउ खला अगनि तप ताउ ॥

Bẖa▫o kẖalā agan ṯap ṯā▫o.

God's fear Thine bellows, practising of penance thy fire,

ਭਾਂਡਾ ਭਾਉ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਤਿਤੁ ਢਾਲਿ ॥

भांडा भाउ अम्रितु तितु ढालि ॥

Bẖāʼndā bẖā▫o amriṯ ṯiṯ dẖāl.

and love of Lord thy pot, where-in filter the Nectar of God's Name.

ਘੜੀਐ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਚੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ॥

घड़ीऐ सबदु सची टकसाल ॥

Gẖaṛī▫ai sabaḏ sacẖī taksāl.

Thus in the true mint the Divine word is fashioned.

ਜਿਨ ਕਉ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰਮੁ ਤਿਨ ਕਾਰ ॥

जिन कउ नदरि करमु तिन कार ॥

Jin ka▫o naḏar karam ṯin kār.

This is the daily routine of those on whom God casts His gracious glance.

ਨਾਨਕ ਨਦਰੀ ਨਦਰਿ ਨਿਹਾਲ ॥੩੮॥

नानक नदरी नदरि निहाल ॥३८॥

Nānak naḏrī naḏar nihāl. ||38||

O Nanak! the Merciful Master, with his kind look, makes them happy.

SGGS Ang 7 & Ang 8

?? Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji

Harsharan paji you are right.

[jkvlondon]

How does that prove that Guru Nanak used that mala to meditate? Exactly, anybody could just as simple have been wearing one! Doesn't mean they used one to do Simran. Why would a Guru even need a mala? Still a question that nobody can answer. So for either nobody will believe that it is really a mala of Guru Nanak Dev Ji's or it's just something they liked to wear.

one should be wary especially since this year's Dasmesh Pita ji's shastar and kanga debacle , just because someone claims it doesn't make any more poojnik , Guru ji joined us with naam and Gurbani not his clothes or weapons. Fascinating and inspiring though they may be , naam is the thing .

[Guest sat]

Its possible to fall anywhere, that why practicing Truth needs to be 24/7. It's peace. On earth currently, we are not sitting in the comfort of a heaven, its the age of hell on earth. Earth is beautiful, but we live amongst the people with hellish psychologies.

It is, however, possible to live an eternally blissful psychology of Truth. But this again needs to be 24/7 or the maya seeps through the cracks of our inadequacies.

[harsharan000]

Truth needs to be 24/7. It's peace. On earth currently, we are not sitting in the comfort of a heaven, its the age of hell on earth. Earth is beautiful, but we live amongst the people with hellish psychologies.

It is, however, possible to live an eternally blissful psychology of Truth. But this again needs to be 24/7 or the maya seeps through the cracks of our inadequacies.

Good post Sat jee.

To what you have stated 24/ 7 , I would add 365.

Because most people say they can do this or that for 24 hours and they do train for it, but then they relax, and forget what they were trying to understand in those 24 hours of practice.

That is why the Banis says:

Tum karoh daya mere Saee, Aisee mat deejhay mere Thakur, sadah sadah Tujhe dheeayaoo.

Guru Sahiban, is telling us : sadah sadah, means always do His Simran & Dhyan, but we moorakhs, according to our manmat, we add other things(our own mirch, masala), like in preparing curry... stupid silly people, that also, when Gurmat, Gurabni is so simple and starighforward , butr we make it limited and complicated, thus it is a great unjustice, a disrespect, to the teachings of our Guru Sahibans and Bhagat Janas.

But the thing is, Wahiguru, through His Gurmukhs, is telling us that, if you want to become one with me, just do my Simran, that is it, no jap, tap, poojas, paaths, pilgrimages, fastings, nothing at all. Because all this is done with the body, and the body will one day become ashes/dust.

The soul is subtle, it is captured as prisoner by the mind, so, we have to fight with the mind, with the weapon of His Naam, to defeat it, and liberate our souls from its clutches, and thus be able to merge in the omnipresent Wahiguru.

We must bear in mind, His Naam, is the only weapon to defeat mind, maya and kaal...no devis, devtas, gods, angles, etc....absolutely nobody and nothing can help us being free from these evil enemies of ours.

Gods, devis, devtas...none of them even know, what Wahiguru or Naam is, as they themselves are deluded in Maya.

That is why the Gurbani, only stresses on the one creator Wahiguru, and His reality as Shabad or Naam.

This is the wadeeayee, of our Guru Sahibans, who are most merciful on us by letting us know about Wahiguru and Naam.

Sat Sree Akal.

[Guest truth]

Well in the hours they forget to practice Truth(which is natural and normal and done in a state of relaxation), that's when the devil creeps in.

There are some devis and devtas who practice Truth, not all are corrupt, even some who were corrupt before can be redeemed just as we can, it all about our choice in the Present Moment.

If we let maya get to us, if we even for a moment begin to believe it, be it through a negative person in the form of slander, our jeaousy, lust attachments, ego, our pain and suffering, our negativity- then we've sold ourselves to it- and we've fallen.

Nothing is real, that's what we're here to learn, we're here to see through the face of the khel and see its all just God himself- it's all just Gods frequency. The heavens, sachkhand, the 14 realms are all an illusion, the Truth is True Love- its Nothing.

[luckysingh99]

Shaheeds are mukht...meaning, they are out of the cycle of births and deaths.

They do the seva and sift salah of Akal Purakh and will be encountered in the realms towards sach khand.

They have the choice to merge completely with akal purakh and become one with nirankar, or they may continue with their service. ...they are the accepted ones described in japji as the "maniyeh" in the suniyeh and maniyeh verses.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

My earlier post was not posted so could someone Please post this one- Gods watching, please dont waste time out of this precious janam that I spent thousands of Janams to attain.

As I said in my previous post

No being Regardless of Angel, Demon, Guru, Saint, whoever is liberated without practicing Truth in Each Moment.

When u practice Truth, your recognising you're already free. So in that Moment, you're free from the illusion- You're Jivan Mukht.

A saint could be sitting in Sachkandh and become selfish and greedy. In that Moment, he's fallen, and in that Moment, hes in Truth, already free, but he hasnt realised it, otherwise he wouldn't be thinking a silly thought- he'd be living in the bliss of Truth recognition.

Please post this Admin, ive wasted so much time on here with my posts not being put up.

? Are you saying Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji wasn't Jeevan Mukt from birth?

[Guest sat]

? Are you saying Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji wasn't Jeevan Mukt from birth?

We're all free, the ones who realise it/ Practice Truth are Jeevan Mukht for as long as they practice Truth