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Artificial Intelligence From Sikhi's Perspective


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Because these hypothetical conscious machines would have been brought into existence by human beings? Is the same not true of us humans brother? God may endow a child with a soul but ultimately the decision to create a child is taken by its parents. The decision by a learned scientist to bring a synthetic being into existence is not so different from this.

All that transpires within this universe is Maharaj's Hukam. This is a very tricky philosophical concept, often interpreted by the faithful to mean that God issues rules and commandments, has likes and dislikes, and controls everything like an omnipotent puppeteer. I think its more subtle than that, comparable to a very long line of dominoes. The all powerful one instigates things and sets them into motion, like the human species, and what happens to them thereafter is their own doing. But God as our creator is ultimately responsible for all that we do. God endowed us with the sapience and intelligence which may one day lead us to create artificial intelligence, is it impossible that A.I. therefore falls within the purview of the Hukam?

The soul is immaterial, it has no moorings to this physical world. I don't see why it should be incapable of inhabiting (for want of a better word) a body made of metal instead of a body made of meat. We humans have a tendency towards self aggrandizement. It is worth bearing in mind, in anticipation of the next time we feel superior and cocky, that we are little more than meat. God is Almighty, there is nothing stopping him from imbuing an A.I - at the moment when it first flickers to life (as a human embryo does) - with a soul if he so wills it.

I have a very similar point of view as yours.

I think Maharaj in his hukam could very well have intelligent sentient life in a metal body rather than in an organic biological one.

I do agree with you about human self-aggrandisement. It never ceases to amaze me when scientists send probes to other planets to find signs of life that they always use things such as signs of water as proof of life.

There is such naivety and solipsism to naturally assume that life on other worlds would be just like ours, breathing on oxygen, surviving with water and being carbon based.

From the posters we have had so far, the general Sikh sangat consensus seems to lean toward that A.I will not become sentient (apologies if I have misinterpreted ), but I personally am led to believe that it may be possible. In some ways we as humans think that intelligence has to be biological and organic rather than inorganic and mechanic.

I remember watching Battlestar Galactica where the Cylons (Robots/Androids) were at war with humans. Over time these cylons were able to develop biological/human-like cylons which were virtually indistinguishable from normal humans. These cylons developed a belief in a higher creator (they were monotheistic as opposed to the paganist humans) even though they were created by humans in the first place.

I think that with anything sentient, the deeper questions that would be asked is "Who am I, what am I, what is my purpose?".

If I put across a hypothetical scenario: It's 2199 and it is 500 years since the birth of the Khalsa and it is discovered that one of the people who wants to take amrit is not human, but is human-like android who has self-awareness/consciousness. Would they be allowed to take amrit or would the Panj Pyare decline because they are not human. How would Akal Takht deal with this?

Sorry if I offend any one with the wacky question but perhaps this would be something Sikhs in the 22nd/23rd Century may need to answer.

The other thing is vegetative life forms also have validity as lifeforms, even lifeforms such those living in stones as Gurbani tells us , soul is jot of Akal Purakh , if the heuristics re sophisticated enough I think it is feasible that the data of gurbani will trigger a flourishing of a soul , is it not doing that to us ?

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If Ranjeet's hypothesis comes true, I'd be curious to see how these beings, as Sikhs, would practice Sikhi minus the Punjabiyat (or even the South-East Asian) influences.

There's a propensity to judge the likes of 3HO (who, to be fair, are indulging in a few strange practices) as non-Sikh, whether such opinions originate from a mild form of subconscious (or otherwise) discrimination or not I'm not sure. What the kattar amongst us will make of android Sikhs I shudder to think.

Anyway, I bet the jathas will be falling over themselves to recruit them and encourage them to join their ranks, lol. At least they'll be safe from the sort who make a policy of weak, young boys being indoctrinated by holy men and their representatives.

Maybe a machine is the only thing capable of following the truest form of Sikhi?

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If Ranjeet's hypothesis comes true, I'd be curious to see how these beings, as Sikhs, would practice Sikhi minus the Punjabiyat (or even the South-East Asian) influences.

There's a propensity to judge the likes of 3HO (who, to be fair, are indulging in a few strange practices) as non-Sikh, whether such opinions originate from a mild form of subconscious (or otherwise) discrimination or not I'm not sure. What the kattar amongst us will make of android Sikhs I shudder to think.

Anyway, I bet the jathas will be falling over themselves to recruit them and encourage them to join their ranks, lol. At least they'll be safe from the sort who make a policy of weak, young boys being indoctrinated by holy men and their representatives.

Maybe a machine is the only thing capable of following the truest form of Sikhi?

truth is 3HO is a personality cult they keep quoting harbhajan before everything , so even Gurbani is interpreted via his warped lens ...sad really he gave them fake kundalini , and also fake ideas about Sikhi too . Much despicable behaviour is going on in Miri Piri academy between the sexes including alcohol, drugs, meat and sex. If you watch sikhnet 'inspirations ' series of vids they never clearly set out gurbani's advice they just are do what you need/want to do who am I to advise you ....then why sell these as a DVD set ? Now they are so blatant on the money front you cannot get any content without making a donation try it ...www.khalsa.com or www.sikhnet.com

If my feelings are correct about AI sikhs is that their minds will not be clouded by human interpretation just the proper arth if full santhiya and katha knowledge is given ...perhaps they will become the ideal parchariks if they are not tampered with ...

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If Ranjeet's hypothesis comes true, I'd be curious to see how these beings, as Sikhs, would practice Sikhi minus the Punjabiyat (or even the South-East Asian) influences.

There's a propensity to judge the likes of 3HO (who, to be fair, are indulging in a few strange practices) as non-Sikh, whether such opinions originate from a mild form of subconscious (or otherwise) discrimination or not I'm not sure. What the kattar amongst us will make of android Sikhs I shudder to think.

Anyway, I bet the jathas will be falling over themselves to recruit them and encourage them to join their ranks, lol. At least they'll be safe from the sort who make a policy of weak, young boys being indoctrinated by holy men and their representatives.

Maybe a machine is the only thing capable of following the truest form of Sikhi?

It would be interesting to see exactly how these robots would live; however, the programmer of the robot decides how it'll act, and if it's made by a Sikh who does have some non-Sikh influences, it'll inherit it from their master. Also nobody has really defined what exactly true Sikhi is besides Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. (Which makes some difficulty on what Maryada it would follow, due to each Jatha having slight differences.) I would like to see what "Robo-Sikh" would do, but I can guess that they'll split into their own Jathas being even more divided than the human Sikhs and their Jathas, (due to Robots needing 100% to be able to compute successful and they usually only have one simple task).
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truth is 3HO is a personality cult they keep quoting harbhajan before everything , so even Gurbani is interpreted via his warped lens ...sad really he gave them fake kundalini , and also fake ideas about Sikhi too . Much despicable behaviour is going on in Miri Piri academy between the sexes including alcohol, drugs, meat and sex. If you watch sikhnet 'inspirations ' series of vids they never clearly set out gurbani's advice they just are do what you need/want to do who am I to advise you ....then why sell these as a DVD set ? Now they are so blatant on the money front you cannot get any content without making a donation try it ...www.khalsa.com or www.sikhnet.com

I don't agree with 3HO or Sikhnet; however, I could easily download some shabads on their gurbani media center, (not excusing them for asking for donations), though I will admit that their positives mostly go down hill from there.
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I don't agree with 3HO or Sikhnet; however, I could easily download some shabads on their gurbani media center, (not excusing them for asking for donations), though I will admit that their positives mostly go down hill from there.

truth most of what they display is taken from others it is not their own work .... I mean I got tired of wanted to take cyberhukamnama and found alternative Sikh sites which allow it . I find the money grubbing really unsavoury given what I know about how they rip off daswands from their sikhs and those of other persuasions . If you discuss anything if it is something their philosophy does not allow but is still in line with sikhi they will delete your posts. Sad, sad , sad

biggest telltale sign is not one Miri Piri Academy staffer or student turned up at sarbat khalsa , or even partook in protest against beadbhi of Guru ji ... guess nothing has changed since the 70s batch where they thought desi sikhs' problems were our problems not theirs even in 84 one such Gursikh who did stay and learn from nihangs and stayed in Sant ji's circle didn't even have the cojones to fight the good fight and is now a mona lawyer

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It would be interesting to see exactly how these robots would live; however, the programmer of the robot decides how it'll act, and if it's made by a Sikh who does have some non-Sikh influences, it'll inherit it from their master. Also nobody has really defined what exactly true Sikhi is besides Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. (Which makes some difficulty on what Maryada it would follow, due to each Jatha having slight differences.) I would like to see what "Robo-Sikh" would do, but I can guess that they'll split into their own Jathas being even more divided than the human Sikhs and their Jathas, (due to Robots needing 100% to be able to compute successful and they usually only have one simple task).

What? What type of machines do you envisage these proposed Sikhs to be; clunky, Robocop-type things?

No, we're talking about machines that appear like you and I on the surface and even behave humanly; hair, skin, everything. Not shiny metal things with jerky movements.

More important than that, their cerebral processes will be akin to ours. "One simple task" doesn't even come into it.

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What? What type of machines do you envisage these proposed Sikhs to be; clunky, Robocop-type things?

No, we're talking about machines that appear like you and I on the surface and even behave humanly; hair, skin, everything. Not shiny metal things with jerky movements.

More important than that, their cerebral processes will be akin to ours. "One simple task" doesn't even come into it.

That sounds a bit better, (when I heard artificially intelligence, I was thinking of those highly advanced Japanese robots which basically do everything for you). They still require someone to make it through machines though as it's not a physical birth.
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If my feelings are correct about AI sikhs is that their minds will not be clouded by human interpretation just the proper arth if full santhiya and katha knowledge is given ...perhaps they will become the ideal parchariks if they are not tampered with ...

I wonder if that would be because they would not have emotions and therefore would be under the 5 vices.

I think that the difference between a human and an AI could be emotion.

But without emotion, could you still have sat, Santokh, pyar, nimrata, daya?

Could you be chardikala without emotion?

It could very well be that what make a human's flaws and virtues come from the very same place. Somewhat a double edged sword.

Would an AI not under the 5 thieves lack the 5 virtues?

If there were AI Sikhs, I think it would make human Sikhs re-evaluate what it would mean to be human, what it means to be Sikh and also our place in the universe.

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