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“This is a historical step and we congratulate the Sikh Sangat of Virginia. By conducting the Pahul Sanchar without reading banis by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, they have shown their dedication to the Guru,” published Khalsa News, a tabloid operated by excommunicated Ragi Darshan Singh.

this is spoken by a true sellout - namak- . This is GOI attack direct on Guru Sahiban Maryada no KHalsa without panj banian

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This is a historical step and we congratulate the Sikh Sangat of Virginia. By conducting the Pahul Sanchar without reading banis by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, they have shown their dedication to the Guru, published Khalsa News, a tabloid operated by excommunicated Ragi Darshan Singh. this is spoken by a true sellout - namak- . This is GOI attack direct on Guru Sahiban Maryada no KHalsa without panj banian

I wasn't endorsing the action, I just felt like it had to be told.

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I wasn't endorsing the action, I just felt like it had to be told.

understood as that veer ji , just quoting what GOI sponsored agents are saying from within the article

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This is a historical step and we congratulate the Sikh Sangat of Virginia. By conducting the Pahul Sanchar without reading banis by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, they have shown their dedication to the Guru, published Khalsa News, a tabloid operated by excommunicated Ragi Darshan Singh.

this is spoken by a true sellout - namak- . This is GOI attack direct on Guru Sahiban Maryada no KHalsa without panj banian

Without reading the banis of Guru Gobind Singh?

So, he DOES believe the banis to be from Guru Gobind Singh? Then why not read them you nut job!?

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How does the Sikh sangat correct this going forward?

I think sitting down with these fellows should be the first course of action. Some educated Sikhs in Gurbani should approach them and have a discussion to rectify the mistake they are making. Mostly it's one or two trouble makers and rest are bandwagon junkies who need to be educated.

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How does the Sikh sangat correct this going forward?

I think sitting down with these fellows should be the first course of action. Some educated Sikhs in Gurbani should approach them and have a discussion to rectify the mistake they are making. Mostly it's one or two trouble makers and rest are bandwagon junkies who need to be educated.

These rats cannot be convinced. The onus is for as many Sikhs and Gurdwaras to counter their parchar, (which is very vigorous online) by having talks on Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth. One thing that definitely help is if SGPC starting doing parkash of this Holy Granth at Takhts as was done before they took over. This would introduce wider sangat to Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth. The other thing is to give free literature on the Holy Granth as well.

Plus IMO no Granthi, katha vachak, kirtani, sikh leader should be allowed to speak from any Gurdwara until they have confirmed with gurdwara committee that they fully believe in Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth.

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These rats cannot be convinced. The onus is for as many Sikhs and Gurdwaras to counter their parchar, (which is very vigorous online) by having talks on Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth. One thing that definitely help is if SGPC starting doing parkash of this Holy Granth at Takhts as was done before they took over. This would introduce wider sangat to Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth. The other thing is to give free literature on the Holy Granth as well.

Plus IMO no Granthi, katha vachak, kirtani, sikh leader should be allowed to speak from any Gurdwara until they have confirmed with gurdwara committee that they fully believe in Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth.

SGPC are the ones who removed Dasam Granth from Akal Takht with open slurs against it ...they will never reinstate it . I propose that abhilakees are talked to by full rehitvaan panj piarey and given opportunity to actually have khande di pahul...asap

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SGPC are the ones who removed Dasam Granth from Akal Takht with open slurs against it ...they will never reinstate it .

they removed it because of their ignorance about it. But if the Panth were to make calls for the Parkash to be restarted then it would solve a lot of things. It's a long shot but one that would have a very positive outcome if it were to succeed. Or even use it as a matta in the next SGPC elections.

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they removed it because of their ignorance about it. But if the Panth were to make calls for the Parkash to be restarted then it would solve a lot of things. It's a long shot but one that would have a very positive outcome if it were to succeed. Or even use it as a matta in the next SGPC elections.

it was a deliberate move because they referred to it as an offensive word granth when removed and people suggested to reinstate it again . Other excuse was it was being 'studied' in the reference library when all in library knew that was not the real reason. I was reading and listening katha on Zafarnama , that if a gursikh was to do jaap of it then they will become always victorious and nirbai . I think reciting and singing dasam bani has to be a must to open up people's minds to just how our Pita ji gave us good consul and prayed . If we can get that going it will all start happening

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Yet every time, at least three times a day, when they do ardass they start by reciting gurbani from Dasam Granth Sahib Ji !

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Yet every time, at least three times a day, when they do ardass they start by reciting gurbani from Dasam Granth Sahib Ji !

not denying but increasing from that point , we are allowed to sing his bani but why don't we ? and why do committee types freak out when it happens ?

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