Why Don't We Have Female Saints In Our Panth?

[Guest Kaur]

If we view women and men as equal, why is it only ever male Saints in the Panth and never female? Yes we have certain female Gursikhs that you can look up to, but why never a Saint? Can we only look up to women as our sisters, daughters and mothers? Is it not possible then for females to open their Dasam Duar?

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh,

If we view women and men as equal, why is it only ever male Saints in the Panth and never female? Yes we have certain female Gursikhs that you can look up to, but why never a Saint? Can we only look up to women as our sisters, daughters and mothers? Is it not possible then for females to open their Dasam Duar?

Anyone who calls themselves a Sant is usually not a Sant. In many groups there are no Saints, but rather the Sangat is the Sant. NOBODY can open the 10th door without Guru Sahib. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

[Thanatos 159]

We do have female sants lol. Mai Bhago, Mata Gujri and countless others are prime examples, Mostly in recent years its been a more common to see males in the limelight, but honestly the word "Sant" is so divine but we throw it around far too casually. True Sants are far more rare but we seen to add the divine status of sant to anyone nowadays.

If you want to know what a TRUE Sant is then please I encourage you to read Sukhmani Sahib. If I can remember off the top of my head Astpadhi 7,8,12 and 17 should help. 7 deals with the true nature of a Sant or Saadh, 8 deals with the truth of a Brahmgyani (a god conscious person), 12 deals with the fate of those who slander TRUE Sants and 17 deals with the divine status of Guru.

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http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/70272-thread-dedicated-to-sikh-woman-parcharikhssants/

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/16569-~~thread-dedicated-to-sikh-woman-parcharikhssants-~~/

[MisterrSingh 4,717]

Why would anyone - male or female - WANT to be a sant in this day and age? It's a tarnished title that induces cynicism and disbelief in all but the most gullible and sycophantic. Usually, it's a method of attracting a following in order to generate attention and ways of generating income.

Be a sant if you want to. But as long as God knows about it, that's all that matters. If you want "santdom" for egotistical and material purposes, then you aren't a sant. You're an opportunist.

[simran345 2,502]

A Sant doesn't necessarily mean somebody that is popular. Kira Paji has a good post.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Why would anyone - male or female - WANT to be a sant in this day and age? It's a tarnished title that induces cynicism and disbelief in all but the most gullible and sycophantic. Usually, it's a method of attracting a following in order to generate attention and ways of generating income.

Be a sant if you want to. But as long as God knows about it, that's all that matters. If you want "santdom" for egotistical and material purposes, then you aren't a sant. You're an opportunist.

I don't know if there are any female Pakhandi Babas in the Punjabi community that could get any following.

[simran345 2,502]

I don't know if there are any female Pakhandi Babas in the Punjabi community that could get any following.

Oh there's a quite a few. Not so more now, but they are not popular, so unheard of.

[Balkaar 1,335]

Because of the sexism inherent in Punjabi culture, which has ba5tardized the proper practice of Sikhi by Sikhs for centuries. For most Punjabi parents, the idea of a son devoting his life to Gursikhi instead of making money and enhancing his family's prestige is bad enough. But for their daughters to do the same is unthinkable. Punjabism has always been opposed to the independence of women, and an unmarried woman of god, not tied down by her husband or a life of domestic servitude, is very independent - a repudiation of what it stands for. Hence they've never been allowed to become too numerous.

[Ranjeet01 2,096]

We use the Punjabism and the patriachial card way too much to explain why there aren't there many women doing this or women doing that.

The reality is that the majority of women prefer to be led rather than lead and the ones that do not like to openly lead, they prefer to do things covertly or via proxy through the male.

[N30S1NGH 3,140]

We use the Punjabism and the patriachial card way too much to explain why there aren't there many women doing this or women doing that.

The reality is that the majority of women prefer to be led rather than lead and the ones that do not like to openly lead, they prefer to do things covertly or via proxy through the male.

That might be true when it comes to social conditioning goes but after spiritual awakening its totally different ball game as its free of influence from any kinda conditioning- its fully unconditioned open and receptive to higher reality. Whether we admit it or not there are enough females with spiritual awakening but cant overtly do parchar because of excessive patriarchal influence.

[sikhni777 840]

If we view women and men as equal, why is it only ever male Saints in the Panth and never female? Yes we have certain female Gursikhs that you can look up to, but why never a Saint? Can we only look up to women as our sisters, daughters and mothers? Is it not possible then for females to open their Dasam Duar?

Just because you have not met one does not mean that they do not exist.

When we went to Manikaran sahib we were told about the lady who lives there, she is almost like a sant. That night we heard the kirtan of the lady who usually accompanies her and it was more than enchanting. When you yourself are devoted to Waheguru from deep inside - only then you will be shown the true wealth which the Lord possesses. Until then, all is empty talk.

Do not try to assess Waheguru's devotees - aim to become one to your best efforts.

[Ranjeet01 2,096]

That might be true when it comes to social conditioning goes but after spiritual awakening its totally different ball game as its free of influence from any kinda conditioning- its fully unconditioned open and receptive to higher reality. Whether we admit it or not there are enough females with spiritual awakening but cant overtly do parchar because of excessive patriarchal influence.

I think that is a bit of a cop out.

Example is Basics of Sikhi, they struggle to get support of gurdwaras and it is started by a male (Jagraj Singh), yet he successfully done parchaar. I don't see these "patriarchs" stopping from doing anything.

If these "spiritually awake" women were truly above this "social conditioning", they would not bother with these "patriarchs" and so do parchaar regardless.

[N30S1NGH 3,140]

I think that is a bit of a cop out.

Example is Basics of Sikhi, they struggle to get support of gurdwaras and it is started by a male (Jagraj Singh), yet he successfully done parchaar. I don't see these "patriarchs" stopping from doing anything.

If these "spiritually awake" women were truly above this "social conditioning", they would not bother with these "patriarchs" and so do parchaar regardless.

And what makes you think- they don't? From their side, they do but from wider perspective we would hope their parchar is gone mainstream but thats not likely the case. This is not my assessment , this is frank assessment from very learned samparda singh and researcher- kamalpreet singh who have spent many years studying old orders.

He writes in the thread following:

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/16569-~~thread-dedicated-to-sikh-woman-parcharikhssants-~~/

It has been years since i posted anything on this site but I saw this topic and had to say something.

There are lots of females with great avasthas out there. I saw a few whilst in India this year. Alot of them are kept in the background because of the massoganist mindset people have in the punjab.

There was a Gursikh Bibi at Guru Ka Mahal in Amritsar doing seva at the shoe stand, you could tell from speaking to her that her jeevani was uch koti, sweet words nimarta and constant bhagti was amazing.

Best of all if you want to see women with great spiritual avasthas can i suggest that one takes a visit to Bhai Salo Ji's Toba in Amritsar, not more then a kilometer from Darbar Sahib. The Gurdwara is prodominantly by woman, their seva and bhagti is out of this world and you can feel the spiritual vibrations from them. I spoke to a few of the Gursikhs and was so moved that other then meeting Sant Giani Mohan Singh Ji Bhindrawalae these ladies were of the highest avasthas I met on this occaision.

Anyone gets a chance please go and see the simple Gurughar with no golak and the Toba itself.

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He also writes - i quote:

This is an interesting thread, the problem we have is the view of women in Sikhi. Out of the Puratan Sampardas you will never get a female Sant in the Nihangs, Sewapanthis or Udasis because of their view towards women and Maya. The Sants are found in the Nirmala deras mostly. Modern day groups have done alot to try and readdress this balance with alot more women coming to the forefron