Is Bhagti Inherited? (NOT INCLUDING THE MAHAPURUKHS)

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Daas wanted to know if Bhagti was inherited, because when pregnant mothers do lots of Bhagti while they are expecting the child usually becomes a person of higher Gurmat; however, there are some mothers who didn't do a lot of Bhagti and their children still turned out great, in terms of Gurmat. Also what can the father do to assist the child's Bhagti before the child is born, because it always seems like the mother's responsibility for Pre-Birth Simran? Also don't bring-up the issues of Mahapurukhs since many are sent by Vaheguru, and have been Pre-Mukt before they came, even Gurbani says they are exceptional. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

[Guest Jacfsing2]

14 minutes ago, kangw said:

How many bhagtann mothers have you heard of in this day and of maha/ghorr kalyug where 99.99 per cent of the women population are surrounded with the likes of bollywood, hollywood, pop scenes, songs with filthy innuendos, sitcoms and drama series? Have you not noticed, gurdwara Sangat is packed with chuggalkhorrs?  I have not come across any and neither have I heard of many.  

Most of them have become coconuts, atheists with hippy lifestyles to be honest.  Even if there are 3 such women, read my lips now, THEY DO NOT REPRESENT the 100 percent or the rest of the women population, only, minuscule!

Stop fantisizing and day dreaming. 

Daas doesn't expect that you understand the point trying to get across, the difference is not that the mother is a Bhagat, but does Bhagti for before the child is born, (while she is pregnant), not on their daily normal lives. Also Daas was asking a question about the proper way for the mothers, not what humanity is going through right now, but rather an ideal.

[kangw 55]

I see.

[jkvlondon 4,946]

12 minutes ago, kangw said:

How many bhagtann mothers have you heard of in this day and of maha/ghorr kalyug where 99.99 per cent of the women population are surrounded with the likes of bollywood, hollywood, pop scenes, songs with filthy innuendos, sitcoms and drama series? Have you not noticed, gurdwara Sangat is packed with chuggalkhorrs?  I have not come across any and neither have I heard of many.  

Most of them have become coconuts, atheists with hippy lifestyles to be honest.  Even if there are 3 such women, read my lips now, THEY DO NOT REPRESENT the 100 percent or the rest of the women population, only, minuscule!

Stop fantisizing and day dreaming. 

the whole hateful speech you gave has zero to do with addressing the question ...try learning to think before speaking . A Sikh doesn't disparage women just cos he wants to ...if you are worried about outside influences complain about the fathers of these girls/women who don't take their parental roles seriously when they have to deal with teaching gurmat to their daughters whilst they are growing . Dhiley fathers produce dhiley children. 

you wouldn't hear a bhagatan or see one as you seem to pay more attention to the people that are not and a bhagtan would hardly mix with them. besides you do not need to be a brahmgiani just nitnemi khalsa bibi to be better than the people you have a problem with .

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Edited July 15, 2017 by pavitarsk

[sikhni777 833]

18 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Also what can the father do to assist the child's Bhagti before the child is born, because it always seems like the mother's responsibility for Pre-Birth Simran?

Guru Nanak Dev jis parents performed a lot of bhagti in their past life for a pious son. That is why Guru Nanak Dev ji was born to them. Bibi Nanki was with Guru Nanak Dev Ji in many past lives as well. 

Our past bhagti and the reason for which we perform that bhagti will greatly influence the results which we get - no matter what gender you are. 

Bhagti cannot be inherited, however we are born to people who have similar avasta to ours. So we have been with our families for quite some time even before this janam. Slowly we changed as families to turn to Gurmat or away from it. Even one person who turns to Gurmat will save the whole family. This is because slowly - the mental attitude of all will start to change and turn to Gurmat. However this will happen over a repeated number of births - it is a slow process. ape beej ape hi kao

Edited October 7, 2016 by sikhni777

[harkirat23 64]

Are there lots of multiple ids on here or what? Why are they saying multiple ids so much?

[IDOLHATER 3]

23 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Daas wanted to know if Bhagti was inherited, because when pregnant mothers do lots of Bhagti while they are expecting the child usually becomes a person of higher Gurmat; however, there are some mothers who didn't do a lot of Bhagti and their children still turned out great, in terms of Gurmat. Also what can the father do to assist the child's Bhagti before the child is born, because it always seems like the mother's responsibility for Pre-Birth Simran? Also don't bring-up the issues of Mahapurukhs since many are sent by Vaheguru, and have been Pre-Mukt before they came, even Gurbani says they are exceptional. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

This is complete and utter nonsense. This is like the Catholicism belief we are all born with sin, then how can we be free and be redeemed? no one but I/You has any control over how much bhagti is done, we are the ones who can steer ourselves, the parent is the teacher, should he/she put them on the path they may follow it, some fall off it and some do so of their own accord. Saying that no harm will come from any amount of Simran done by the mother. Sikhi is so easy and clear to follow but people make it so difficult with nonsense beliefs of their own and preaching this that and the other. 

[IDOLHATER 3]

4 hours ago, sikhni777 said:

Guru Nanak Dev jis parents performed a lot of bhagti in their past life for a pious son. That is why Guru Nanak Dev ji was born to them. Bibi Nanki was with Guru Nanak Dev Ji in many past lives as well. 

Our past bhagti and the reason for which we perform that bhagti will greatly influence the results which we get - no matter what gender you are. 

Bhagti cannot be inherited, however we are born to people who have similar avasta to ours. So we have been with our families for quite some time even before this janam. Slowly we changed as families to turn to Gurmat or away from it. Even one person who turns to Gurmat will save the whole family. This is because slowly - the mental attitude of all will start to change and turn to Gurmat. However this will happen over a repeated number of births - it is a slow process. ape beej ape hi kao

So Mata Sulkani did not do any bhagti is that why Guru Nanak Nirankars sons' did not follow the path of their father the Lord God...?? such nonsense. 

 

[sikhni777 833]

2 hours ago, IDOLHATER said:

So Mata Sulkani did not do any bhagti is that why Guru Nanak Nirankars sons' did not follow the path of their father the Lord God...?? such nonsense. 

It can be outrightly dangerous to make your own conclusions about things that have not been stated at all. if you feel you want to into a deep trench then dont take others with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thanatos 157]

9 hours ago, sikhni777 said:

Guru Nanak Dev jis parents performed a lot of bhagti in their past life for a pious son. That is why Guru Nanak Dev ji was born to them. Bibi Nanki was with Guru Nanak Dev Ji in many past lives as well. 

Our past bhagti and the reason for which we perform that bhagti will greatly influence the results which we get - no matter what gender you are. 

Bhagti cannot be inherited, however we are born to people who have similar avasta to ours. So we have been with our families for quite some time even before this janam. Slowly we changed as families to turn to Gurmat or away from it. Even one person who turns to Gurmat will save the whole family. This is because slowly - the mental attitude of all will start to change and turn to Gurmat. However this will happen over a repeated number of births - it is a slow process. ape beej ape hi kao

Where did you get this info from? Just curious as I've not heard about the Bibi Nanaki part. The bold part I do not agree, Bhagat Prahlad was a Pure GurSikh while his father was the total opposite, Bhagat Ji's avasta was far greater than his fathers, Who you are born into isn't really as simple as avasta, it's falls down just to karam and past deeds. There's an interesting story about rebirth in Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji's book. 

 

Here is a story of a sage, who engaged in hard penance all his life. However, it so happened with divine‐intervention, that while dying he aspired yearningly for progeny. The couriers of death included both yamas and angels on his death. He was thus escorted to the presence of Dharamrai. He had heavy credit balance of pious deeds, while the evil thoughts had assailed him only at the time of death. It was left for him to decide whether he preferred to go to heaven first to enjoy fruit of his good deeds or be done with punishment for his evil dying thought. It was made clear that punishment has to be gone through sooner or later. The sage preferred to dwell in heaven later on rather than earlier. He was reborn in the life of a sow. As sow, there was lot of progeny. On the expiry of this life of punishment, the yamas and angels re‐appeared to take the being to the hereafter. The angels enquired whether he was ready to be taken to heaven, now that he had seen a long life as a sow. The orders from Dharamrai are that you should now dwell in heaven. The astonishing reply came, that life as sow is preferable to enjoyment in heaven. The loving attachment to progeny did not permit a separation and appeared painful. The heavenly life was rejected as of no consequence. He pleaded in the name of Dharamrai to be left alone as sow to remain with beloved progeny. Seeing his depravity of mind, the angels reminded him of his life of penance and spiritual knowledge. When he was fully reawakened to his past memory, he felt highly ashamed. He then realized the hellish and hateful life that he had led as sow and repented much. He then readily accepted to be taken to heaven. Earlier he had gladly accepted the depraved life as sow. That is how last dying thought can undermine all meritorious deeds. It is only Gurmat Naam‐devotion, that allows not mind to waver from Divine‐ contemplation. Efficacious Naam with Effulgent‐Power reduces to ashes the past sins.

[Bundha 614]

When a spiritual soul comes down to Maat-lokh those from SatchKhand look for a worthy womb. They will wait until a mother also of high spiritual level is available and send the soul down to her. So it follows that the mother, who is already on Guru’s path would do naam/simran when she becomes pregnant for her baby.

 

When mother (or anyone) does naam/simran for herself then that benefit will go to her, if she does it for her unborn then that benefit will go to the baby. This is not restricted to unborn babies, if you do naam/simran in someone else’s name then all the benefit will go to them.

Infact, if you see a funeral procession going by make a point of doing a Chaupai Sahib or 5 Mool Mantras (or both!) for that body going by and the benefit will reach its soul, wherever it is.

 

Just think, maybe that soul may not have done much simran, infact most people don’t do any, and the soul is stuck some place, now you do Chaupai Sahib and that reaches the soul and it is let through whatever restriction it was in, how much thanks and blessing will that soul give to the person who has just helped it in such a frightening situation, you will have helped the soul move on and you will get blessing from your Guru also. One of the reason why we do a sehaj paath when a person dies.

 

Not just a funeral procession, if you see a road kill and an animal is lying dead do a chaupai Sahib for it and it will reach its soul. You are now doing “par-upkaar” and your Guru will be very pleased with you. 

[sikhni777 833]

14 hours ago, Thanatos said:

Where did you get this info from? Just curious as I've not heard about the Bibi Nanaki part.

I was reading it in the Bhai Bala dhi sakhi. 

 

14 hours ago, Thanatos said:

Bhagat Prahlad was a Pure GurSikh while his father was the total opposite,

Bhagat Jis mum was the inspiration behind his jaap. We are always with someone who will guide us and take us into bhagti deeper. Our lives are a continuation from the last ones. 

His father was not totally bhagti less. His father performed a lot of tapasya in order to get the boon of not getting killed in the various ways which he requested for when Bhrama appeared to him. However Akankaar took the fruits of his bhagti away. 

[sikhni777 833]

15 hours ago, Thanatos said:

Bhagat Ji's avasta was far greater than his fathers,

If his father would not have tested him, and left him alone.....would Bhagat Ji have attained the greatness with which we now know him. 

This is the khel of Waheguru.

Tudh aap vochoreya aap milaya.

If his father had not been possessed by ahankaar... we would not have this story from which we can learn and understand the greatness of Bhagat Ji. 

Also these tests were important in order to determine the devotion on bhagat ji. His father while having performed tapasya asked for life immortal on earth. This means that despite having performed tapasya his soul was not totally satisfied with life on this earth. He loved it too much and loved his raaj too much and wanted to live forever. The boon was granted to him, however he abused it by giving a hard time to God's bhagat. He was a sant ka dhokhi in other words and reaped the punishment which is given to sant ka dhokhi.

Edited October 8, 2016 by sikhni777

[sikhni777 833]

14 hours ago, Bundha said:

Just think, maybe that soul may not have done much simran, infact most people don’t do any, and the soul is stuck some place, now you do Chaupai Sahib and that reaches the soul and it is let through whatever restriction it was in, how much thanks and blessing will that soul give to the person who has just helped it in such a frightening situation, you will have helped the soul move on and you will get blessing from your Guru also. One of the reason why we do a sehaj paath when a person dies.

 

I think this is also the reason why people when in great problems look for a pious sant or babaji whom they request to perform ardaas on their behalf. Many people would go a giani ji and have ardaas perfomed for them in the Guradwara. 

We should also not forget that we are able to perform bhagti or think about religious thoughts because Guru Ji has on our behalf requested from Waheguru to do kirpa on us and to forgive our various sins because of which we are in this life in the first place. That is why we say Waheguru.

Aese Gur ko bal bal jaiye. Aap mukat mohe tare.

Guru Ji is always there to take our hand and guide us. It is us who choose to either ignore or to accept their assistance and advice and guidance. 

Edited October 8, 2016 by sikhni777