The Christian menace to Sikhi in Canada

[BhForce]

On 1/14/2020 at 10:40 AM, dallysingh101 said:

how are we surprised that people convert out of economic desperation or as an attempt to receive more humane treatment by the society around them?

Do you think it might be useful for some our people to forego the 10 bedroom houses, and maybe downgrade to 8 bedrooms, and use the rest of the money to help people out?

[BhForce]

On 1/14/2020 at 11:14 AM, Guest Jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:

even after conversion, each of those groups still only marry into their own groups etc. The grouping system (or caste - whatever you want to call it) remains intact even after they become Christian.

This could be a blessing in disguise as, to the extent that people leave their social systems intact, there's the possibility of flipping them back.

I would hope that a lot of people just view "Christianity" as another dera that they attend. And people switch up deras over their lifetime.

Also, keeping their physical form (kes) is a devious ploy that the missionaries are using, but we could flip it back on them.

Also, I wanted to ask you what the usefulness of the arguments that Western ex-Christians use would be? You know, the ones that you get on a standard google search like Dan Barker, Bart Ehrman, and Richard Carrier and others. I.e., that the Bible wasn't written by the claimed authors, it was a document cobbled together hundreds of years later, there are many inconsistencies in the Bible and the gospels, and so on.

[BhForce]

On 1/15/2020 at 12:24 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

 

You ever noticed that with Jehovah Witnesses they always use Punjabi speakers when they come to Punjabi households. 

Sometimes they come on Saturday and they are always suited and booted. One of them knocks on your door and then they have a colleague who is standing about 10 yards back.

I normally ask for a copy of Watchtower straight away and they give a copy and then they leave.

You should tell them they're going to hell unless they take Amrit.

Let us know on this forum how the ensuing discussion goes.

That'll probably throw them for a loop (they're used to telling others that they are going to hell).

[BhForce]

On 1/15/2020 at 12:54 PM, puzzled said:

i know a gujarati girl who belonged to a gujarati carpenter caste and she was dating a gujarati guy from the same caste but he had converted to Christianity, she told me that it wasnt a problem for her or her family  because he was still gujarati!  she called him a hindu christian!    think it works differently for different ethnicity

Yeah, that's kind of a like a popular Punjabi actress who supposedly became a Christian. She actually posted on social media that that's not true because she's still a Punjabi!

[BhForce]

On 1/15/2020 at 1:25 PM, puzzled said:

you can see why these churches attract massive crowds!  they offer entertainment, exorcisms, giddha and boliyan etc    people love this stuff there.    deras offer the same package as well   

you can see how the church has shaped itself to attract punjabi crowds, it gives them Christianity but dont take away the punjabism,  they incorporate it  

That's one reason I think it's stupid for our missionaries to do what they are doing, which is basically taking the spirit and flavor out of religion and replacing it with a boring lecture on why it's useless to do paath.

[BhForce]

On 1/15/2020 at 2:21 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

Christianity left to its own devices in India without foreign intervention will likely be absorbed back in.

Jesus Christ will probably become the 9th or 10th avatar of Vishnu.

Interesting. Do you think with the decline of Christianity in the West, a day will come when the money for foreign conversion funding will dry up?

Also, in the West, as people become more educated, they become less Christian. 11% of college educated in America are atheists, only 4% who are high school grads.

Given that this is the case, after Indians (or Punjabis) who convert become better educated, do you think they will leave the the Christianity that their parents converted into?

[BhForce]

On 1/16/2020 at 12:47 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

They don't seem to be enjoying themselves. They seem to be pushed into it and you can tell that they would rather be somewhere else. 

It seems to be a condition for these people to attend just to get what they have been promised. 

It's really sad that Christians go around to really poor people and dangle a morsel of of food over them and say, "Convert, and then I'll give you some food."

They are taking advantage of people to meet their conversion target quotas dictated by their financial sponsors.

[BhForce]

On 1/16/2020 at 9:53 PM, MisterrSingh said:

They won't confront you with this openly, but Christians are taught to believe religions based on Vedic traditions (including faiths like Buddhism) are ultimately in homage to Satan and the many pre-Christian demonic entities such as Baphomet, etc.

 

On 1/16/2020 at 9:53 PM, MisterrSingh said:

So whenever some chumcha Sikh community "leader" ends up promoting inter-faith dialogue with the Semetic religions, it would serve him well to realise that the people with whom he's sipping watery tea and shaking hands for a photo opportunity, believe he's a devil worshipper.

Thanks for point this out. Though, there's also the fact that all Christians are not unified in that belief. It's true the Bible states that there are satan-derived religions, but that's different from saying a specific region is of the devil.

Some Christian preachers make that connection. Other denominations (like Unitarians) explicitly reject that.

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, BhForce said:

Interesting. Do you think with the decline of Christianity in the West, a day will come when the money for foreign conversion funding will dry up?

Also, in the West, as people become more educated, they become less Christian. 11% of college educated in America are atheists, only 4% who are high school grads.

Given that this is the case, after Indians (or Punjabis) who convert become better educated, do you think they will leave the the Christianity that their parents converted into?

There is one area of the church that is aggressive and that is the evangelicals. 

These christian denominations compete with each other and try to take followers off each other. 

Christianity has had a presence in India for nearly 2000 years with the Syrian church.

However, the churches have been expanding in Africa and Asia.

What has happened is that Churches like the Anglican Church has allowed gay priests to be ordained but Anglicans in Africa are more conservative about these things,so there will be schisms. 

Once these schisms are present, the influences will be diluted as well as the funding. 

[BhForce]

Just now, Ranjeet01 said:

Christianity has had a presence in India for nearly 2000 years with the Syrian church.

Yeah, that's different because they were just present. They were aggressively converting people (like with $$ or with targeting).

1 minute ago, Ranjeet01 said:

However, the churches have been expanding in Africa and Asia.

The reason being they are poor people desperate for help.

Again, a question that people in developing countries should ask is "If Christianity is so great, then why are people in the West not desperate for cancer treatment, college help, or whatever, abandoning Christianity?"

3 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

What has happened is that Churches like the Anglican Church has allowed gay priests

Weekly attendance is at 10%, going down from anywhere between .3% to 1% per year.

If no one goes to church, they'll have a hard time maintaining the buildings, much less funding conversion abroad.