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how old is the Khanda nishan symbol used in today's gurdwarey?

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Having seen pictures of the Shaheedi jatha heading towards Jaito , it is clear the Blue Nishan with Katar Dhal and Kirpan  was used , so when exactly did the new symbology enter into existence and who introduced it and what was their reasoning because I could find anything wrong with our own Nishan Sahib ? I have read read that this has elements which correspond with ancient babylonian symbology which the freemasons are into.(moon symbol) and looking at Rattrays khanda symbol it is not really clear about the thinking behind it

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The kesri nishan sahib and Khanda logo originates from the SGPC/NeoNirmala/Singh Sabha movement time period....Along with other measures such as hinduphobic editing of baani and texts to remove sections not online with their own ideology, removal of Dasam Granth from Harmandar Sahib complex, banning of jhatka at Harmandar Sahib, painting over various historical fresco's etc within the complex.. it's a good job SGPC is not able to exert it's control outside of Punjab or over the Nihang Singh Dals Gurdwaras so they cannot mslohnt Puratan panth Maryada and ithiaas.

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But there was nothing controversial about the nishan sahib so it should have been untouched ...maybe the controversy came when Ranjit Singh changed the nishan sahibs of his army to keshri and red to show appreciation of the Dogrey ... but then that should have been returned to Neela or basanti rang of Guru HarGobind ji

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34 minutes ago, Cisco_Singh said:

The kesri nishan sahib and Khanda logo originates from the SGPC/NeoNirmala/Singh Sabha movement time period....Along with other measures such as hinduphobic editing of baani and texts to remove sections not online with their own ideology, removal of Dasam Granth from Harmandar Sahib complex, banning of jhatka at Harmandar Sahib, painting over various historical fresco's etc within the complex.. it's a good job SGPC is not able to exert it's control outside of Punjab or over the Nihang Singh Dals Gurdwaras so they cannot mslohnt Puratan panth Maryada and ithiaas.

WHAT ???!!! The text in bold is a huge assertion to make ! 

Are you suggesting that even SGGS have been edited (and some baani perhaps removed) ? That would be shocking ! oh wait, but we have puratan hand-written birs . so I doubt that 

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10 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

WHAT ???!!! The text in bold is a huge assertion to make ! 

Are you suggesting that even SGGS have been edited (and some baani perhaps removed) ? That would be shocking ! oh wait, but we have puratan hand-written birs . so I doubt that 

It is a matter of history that SGPC tried to alter the manglacharan of the shabads in Guru Granth Sahib to 'standardise' them by their convoluted logic ... there have been attempts over the years of individual's trying to do this by themselves but got brought to their senses like the singh who tried to produce a saroop without Bhagatbani

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iirc I had the same question, the Khanda is a modern symbol made by the SGPC to standardise the sikh ideals. in all fairness for me a better one is easily ek onankar.

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1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

It is a matter of history that SGPC tried to alter the manglacharan of the shabads in Guru Granth Sahib to 'standardise' them by their convoluted logic ... there have been attempts over the years of individual's trying to do this by themselves but got brought to their senses like the singh who tried to produce a saroop without Bhagatbani

geez ! 

disgusting, absolutely. 

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I wouldnt b suprised if the khanda is a cleverly crafted symbol by the goreh to resemble freemason/illuminati symbolism, which they have cleverly done everywhere in the world. Dally on another thread pointed out how there r freemason/illuminati symbols on the floor at harmandir sahib on the tiled parkarma, which was shown on a youtube video. But there is a flag which brits captured frm anglo sikh wars, which shows a resemblence to modern day khanda. But for all we know brits cudda edited it.

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But as we all know, this 1 below is the original nishan sahib, which streches back to 6th gurus time.

dalnishan9.jpg

But 1 thing i do know is, we have got to make some serious efforts to retun the sikh panth/way of life back to wat it was, prior to these dirty brits comin in and posioning our panth with their editing.

Unfortunatly, there r some idiotic sikhs (esp freshy sikhs, who still romanticise over gora rule), who have colonised brains. These latest pics r an effing disgrace! Im not sure if these r 3ho or colonised brainwashed panjabis, either way, assi bachke raina chaiyda!

Mata gujari as some sort of "virgin" mary, or guru ramdas ji lookin pagri walah joseph holdin guru arjan dev ji as some sort of wannabe lil jesus, shocking!

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2 hours ago, StarStriker said:

I wouldnt b suprised if the khanda is a cleverly crafted symbol by the goreh to resemble freemason/illuminati symbolism, which they have cleverly done everywhere in the world. Dally on another thread pointed out how there r freemason/illuminati symbols on the floor at harmandir sahib on the tiled parkarma, which was shown on a youtube video. But there is a flag which brits captured frm anglo sikh wars, which shows a resemblence to modern day khanda. But for all we know brits cudda edited it.

4735606208_efde3dd340.jpg

But as we all know, this 1 below is the original nishan sahib, which streches back to 6th gurus time.

dalnishan9.jpg

But 1 thing i do know is, we have got to make some serious efforts to retun the sikh panth/way of life back to wat it was, prior to these dirty brits comin in and posioning our panth with their editing.

Unfortunatly, there r some idiotic sikhs (esp freshy sikhs, who still romanticise over gora rule), who have colonised brains. These latest pics r an effing disgrace! Im not sure if these r 3ho or colonised brainwashed panjabis, either way, assi bachke raina chaiyda!

Mata gujari as some sort of "virgin" mary, or guru ramdas ji lookin pagri walah joseph holdin guru arjan dev ji as some sort of wannabe lil jesus, shocking!

Screenshot_20170218-171149_1.jpg

Screenshot_20170218-171020_1.jpg

Lol you're that Sikh Talk took guy from Instagram?

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1 hour ago, Singh559 said:

Lol you're that Sikh Talk took guy from Instagram?

Erm no, but i did crop those 2 pics frm his instagram. I duno if ur new to this forum, but any1 can tell u im not him. I dont mind him tho, im subscribed to his youtube channel for a year or so now, n i like his views on colonisation of apnay and black ppl etc. The rest of his stuff havnt really paid attention to. Genie in another thread says hes a communist/marxist.... im clearly not that for cryin out loud. 

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This one has been discussed before. 

It is VERY unlikely to be a flag from Ranjit Singh's time. The very pristine condition of it is a give away, plus we have loads of standards that have survived from that time in various locations in the UK - none of them look like this. 

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25 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

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This one has been discussed before. 

It is VERY unlikely to be a flag from Ranjit Singh's time. The very pristine condition of it is a give away, plus we have loads of standards that have survived from that time in various locations in the UK - none of them look like this. 

Yea indeed, if true 100% im not suprised, as i stated above, its prolly edited by em.

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5 hours ago, StarStriker said:

I wouldnt b suprised if the khanda is a cleverly crafted symbol by the goreh to resemble freemason/illuminati symbolism, which they have cleverly done everywhere in the world. Dally on another thread pointed out how there r freemason/illuminati symbols on the floor at harmandir sahib on the tiled parkarma, which was shown on a youtube video. But there is a flag which brits captured frm anglo sikh wars, which shows a resemblence to modern day khanda. But for all we know brits cudda edited it.

4735606208_efde3dd340.jpg

But as we all know, this 1 below is the original nishan sahib, which streches back to 6th gurus time.

dalnishan9.jpg

But 1 thing i do know is, we have got to make some serious efforts to retun the sikh panth/way of life back to wat it was, prior to these dirty brits comin in and posioning our panth with their editing.

Unfortunatly, there r some idiotic sikhs (esp freshy sikhs, who still romanticise over gora rule), who have colonised brains. These latest pics r an effing disgrace! Im not sure if these r 3ho or colonised brainwashed panjabis, either way, assi bachke raina chaiyda!

Mata gujari as some sort of "virgin" mary, or guru ramdas ji lookin pagri walah joseph holdin guru arjan dev ji as some sort of wannabe lil jesus, shocking!

Screenshot_20170218-171149_1.jpg

Screenshot_20170218-171020_1.jpg

top one is definitely ripoff of western madonna iconography(babylonian ) including the hand position and fingers . bottom one is a 3HO stylee picture they have similar for Guru Ram Das ji and Guru Nanak Dev ji you can tell they look like white caucasians rather than Indians.

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