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Sikh24 is reporting a "breaking" (meaning unconfirmed) story that some Sikhs in Italy may have tried to violently attack missionary Panthpreet Singh:

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PADUA, Italy—News of bid to attack Sikh preacher Bhai Panthpreet Singh in Italy has come to fore today. It is learnt that Sikh preacher Bhai Panthpreet Singh’s opponents tried to attack him in a Gurdwara Sahib in Padua city situated on Milan-Venus national highway in Italy.

http://www.sikh24.com/2017/05/07/breaking-bid-to-attack-sikh-preacher-panthpreet-singh-in-italy/

If it's true, it's deplorable, on many levels. Leaving aside other reasons, I'll just come to this: 1) Since the evidence of Guru Granth Sahib ji, Dasam Granth Sahib, Bani Bhai Gurdas ji, Bani Bhai Nand Lal ji, janam sakhis, our glorious history as recorded in Suraj Parkash and other granths, Rehitnamas, biographies of Sikh saints, and historical accounts by non-Sikhs is so overwhelming, there is no reason in the world to engage in violence.

2) The aam sangat (normal members of congregation) do not have great knowledge of the sources mentioned above, or even a deep knowledge of Guru Granth Sahib ji. They find it difficult to evaluate the claims of missionaries as opposed to normal Sikh preachers. What happens is that when Sikhs engage in violence against missionaries, the sangat starts to believe that Sikhs have no firm arguments and that's the reason they get violent. So they start believing that the missionaries are correct.

In conclusion, with folded hands, I plead: don't engage in violence, and tell your friends and acquaintances to not do so either, if you care about preserving Sikhism. Attack the missionaries with arguments, not violence.

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i was hoping someone would tell me why they have issues with panthpreet singh, apart from the dasam granth issue. but i guess the best reason so far put forward is that the guy (the gurudwara pradhan

i can't understand why the panth is so reckless about these situations. first of all we ONLY have one guru. which is, obviously, guru granth sahib ji. and if someone wants to believe in bachitar natak

people want to call out panthpreet singh on being hindu in his past but what about gurpreet from california used to be neeraj kumar?? apart from the whole 'bachitar natak' issue why are you guys

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Normally I agree but sometimes ਲਾਤੋਂ ਕੇ ਭੋੂਤ, ਬਾਤੋਂ ਸੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਮਾਂਨਤੇ।

ਇਸ ਗੰਦਪ੍ਰੀਤ ਨੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਗੰਦ ਫਲਾਇਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ। this person deserves all the chitter he can get.

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Bhai Gurpreet Singh California is going to Germany to have a discussion with Panthpreet about the dubidhas and discord he has caused. But I doubt this coward will meet with Bhai Gurpreet Singh. He will probably act evasive and try to run away from there as well.

 

 

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6 hours ago, S1ngh said:

These "so called" pracharaks want these stuff to happen wherever sikh lives in peace. They are planted seeds to go far far land and create pangay to full extent.

Why have these S*** heads when you have western based pracharaks like basics of sikhi, naam simran guy and so on. 

simply need to generate local clamour for home-grown parchaarik two great things will happen:

1. more home-grown parchariks will be trained and our kids and sangat will have katha in their familiar languages , with inspiration to learn about sikhi because they can relate better to the young girls and guys teaching them.

2. the troublemakers gravy train will grind to a halt , and the overseas sangat will be only interested in those parchariks who are thought of highly by home-grown ones ..i.e. the ones that have no agenda and full gurmat gian

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We need to educate ourselves to educate others. We have a undue reliance on others to teach us and others. We have to teach ourselves to teach.

 

In the western world usually we do not have the time to learn Gurmat, history, philosophy upto the standards/depths of those preachers from Panjab. They spend a lot of time learning. For us to be able to get over that problem is to consider taking one aspect of Sikhi, and developing that to a high standard and then teaching others.

Like Gurinder Singh Mann has done with Dasam Granth etc.

 

In the above topic I made some years ago, I said that as individuals we should be concentrating on individual specifics especially if we are constrained by time. It makes more sense to to become knowledgeable in one aspect of Sikhi and to then teach that.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, chatanga said:

We need to educate ourselves to educate others. We have a undue reliance on others to teach us and others. We have to teach ourselves to teach.

 

In the western world usually we do not have the time to learn Gurmat, history, philosophy upto the standards/depths of those preachers from Panjab. They spend a lot of time learning. For us to be able to get over that problem is to consider taking one aspect of Sikhi, and developing that to a high standard and then teaching others.

Like Gurinder Singh Mann has done with Dasam Granth etc.

 

In the above topic I made some years ago, I said that as individuals we should be concentrating on individual specifics especially if we are constrained by time. It makes more sense to to become knowledgeable in one aspect of Sikhi and to then teach that.

 

 

 

how about Guru Study groups like Christians have bible study groups where they do charcha/vichar  afterwards... this would help the group progress faster and deeply because of the different avasta gursikhs giving their views.

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On 5/9/2017 at 5:25 PM, Jonny101 said:

Bhai Gurpreet Singh California is going to Germany to have a discussion with Panthpreet about the dubidhas and discord he has caused. But I doubt this coward will meet with Bhai Gurpreet Singh. He will probably act evasive and try to run away from there as well.

This is an laudable effort. This is exactly what we need.

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On 5/10/2017 at 5:24 AM, jkvlondon said:

simply need to generate local clamour for home-grown parchaarik two great things will happen:

1. more home-grown parchariks will be trained and our kids and sangat will have katha in their familiar languages , with inspiration to learn about sikhi because they can relate better to the young girls and guys teaching them.

Meaning that we turn our back on Punjabi, and in a generation or so, we (young generation) won't be able to speak, understand, or read Punjabi/Gurmukhi? Do note that many/most of the schisms in Christianity are due to differences of translation. For example, was it wine or grape juice that Jesus drank at the Last Supper? In Gurbani, does Deen mean "poor" or "religion"? If we're familiar with Punjabi/Gurmukhi, then you just leave it as is "deen". If not, then you make the decision right there as to what it's going to be translated as, and you have one set of people wanting to fight for the poor, and another to fight for religion. (Lare deen ke het).

On 5/10/2017 at 5:24 AM, jkvlondon said:

2. the troublemakers gravy train will grind to a halt , and the overseas sangat will be only interested in those parchariks who are thought of highly by home-grown ones ..i.e. the ones that have no agenda and full gurmat gian

Do you mean to say (some) "homegrown" parcharaks aren't troublemakers? AFAIK, the tradition-denying "Tiger Jatha" is "homegrown". So is Niddar and crew. It's quite naive to think that "homegrown" parcharaks will have no agenda and full Gurmat gian.

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On 5/10/2017 at 5:00 PM, jkvlondon said:

how about Guru Study groups like Christians have bible study groups where they do charcha/vichar  afterwards... this would help the group progress faster and deeply because of the different avasta gursikhs giving their views.

I would hope that that doesn't turn out to be the blind leading the blind, sort of like how some modern schoolteachers don't actually teach math, rather, they ask children what how they think math should be done. When you say "Christians", I think you mean Protestants, who believe in sola scriptura or "only the book", kind of like how some of our Sikhs think we need to discard everything except Guru Granth Sahib ji. I imagine such a study group would go like this:

-"Today's shabad denounces religious symbols. Therefore, please everybody deposit your kirpans in the box on the table on your way out."

-"Where in Guru Granth Sahib does it say to make Karah Parshad?" 

"It doesn't"

"OK, so we should stop doing that."

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On 2017-5-9 at 0:55 PM, Jonny101 said:

Bhai Gurpreet Singh California is going to Germany to have a discussion with Panthpreet about the dubidhas and discord he has caused. But I doubt this coward will meet with Bhai Gurpreet Singh. He will probably act evasive and try to run away from there as well.

 

 

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wasn't this gurpreet dudi a RSS hireling I've seen him in his mona roop definitely not a sikh

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54 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

wasn't this gurpreet dudi a RSS hireling I've seen him in his mona roop definitely not a sikh

What proof do you have to say he is RSS.  are you simply saying before he had a haircut and he's RSS.  Do you know what panthpreet sinh real name is, where he came from?  Get your facts straight.  Missionaries are shallow people.  Don't be so gullible.

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