Havan Maryada

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As far as I am aware, shiv-shakti concept of hinduism and existence of kundalini and chakras in human body is accepted in Gurbani . 

But unlike hindus, sikhs don't believe in worshiping of shiv shakti but only a concept that's to be understood . 

Shiv means chetna or consciousness. Shakti is power, creative or destructive. 

This is why , when saahib e kamaal Guru Gobind Singh ji maharaj wanted mental strength, he worships to Parbrahm as shiv saroop , i.e consciousness, not mahadev of hinduism.

In chaupai sahib, they themselves say "Mahadev ko kahat sada siv , nirankaar ka chinat neh bhiv" 

 

Same way shakti is another aspect of Parbrahm. It is roughly translated as "energy" , either constructive or destructive. Its worshipped in india as a female goddess , durga or chandi or bhavaani. 

But Maharaj in baani rejects worship of any female deity and infact says in Tav prasad chaupai 

"Anhad roop anahad bani ,Charan sharan je basat bhavani" (O god , even durga seeks your refuge).

So the idea that Havan etc is part of sikhi IMHO is a ridiculous idea . Also Sikhism has no place for polytheism or idolatry 

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

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Then type in ਹੋਮ.  Change from first letter to full word (Gurakhar).  The please read.  Gurbani makes it clear that havan is not in line with Gurmat. 

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Guru sahib was only participating in the havan practice because the Hindu pandidts came up to guru with a scheme. But guru ji was Jaani Jana they knew everything. When the news got around that guru gobind singh ji was going to start this new initiation (Amrit) the pandit came up with a plan to try and kill baba ajit Singh ji as they thought baba ji would be the next guru. They came up to guru ji and insisted that he would do havan to Candi goddess as in Hindu ithihas whenever something very big was about to happen they would preform havan just like we do ardas. Raam preformed havan before going to yudh with raavan. Guru ji then (knowing everything) agreed and they climbed up naina Devi Pahaar. When the pandit was doing havan nothing happened. Chandi was never summoned and nothing amazing happened. After the pakhand had gone on for about half an hour the pandit then devised his plan. He said guru ji needed to sacrifice something dear to him to please the goddess. His eye rested upon baba ajit Singh ji, guru ji then with a smile said "who could be more dear to me than you, who is going through all this trouble to summon chandi for me" the pandit then realising guru ji was very intelligent ran off. Guru ji then threw all the little tuff and small artefacts that made a huge fire. The pandit would fool people by getting them to pay money and throwing everything into the fire to create a large flame and then say "chandi is here" the true practice to praise the goddess had turned into a business. Guru ji then spent many months up naina Devi preforming tapasiya and havana. from miles away you could see loads of thunder storms and lightning etc. Then when guru ji came back down they asked him if he had summoned chandi. Guru ji took out his Sirohi kirpan and said this is chandi. That's where the name for chandi comes from for the kirpan

pull chuk maaf, if someone very much more knowledgeable than me  knows the name of the pandit please enlighten the sangat on this forum, including me!

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12 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

As far as I am aware, shiv-shakti concept of hinduism and existence of kundalini and chakras in human body is accepted in Gurbani . 

But unlike hindus, sikhs don't believe in worshiping of shiv shakti but only a concept that's to be understood . 

Shiv means chetna or consciousness. Shakti is power, creative or destructive. 

This is why , when saahib e kamaal Guru Gobind Singh ji maharaj wanted mental strength, he worships to Parbrahm as shiv saroop , i.e consciousness, not mahadev of hinduism.

In chaupai sahib, they themselves say "Mahadev ko kahat sada siv , nirankaar ka chinat neh bhiv" 

 

Same way shakti is another aspect of Parbrahm. It is roughly translated as "energy" , either constructive or destructive. Its worshipped in india as a female goddess , durga or chandi or bhavaani. 

But Maharaj in baani rejects worship of any female deity and infact says in Tav prasad chaupai 

"Anhad roop anahad bani ,Charan sharan je basat bhavani" (O god , even durga seeks your refuge).

So the idea that Havan etc is part of sikhi IMHO is a ridiculous idea . Also Sikhism has no place for polytheism or idolatry 

 

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Pandit Keshav Das

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On 01/09/2017 at 2:05 PM, AmandeepSinghBansel said:

Exactly, I do not mean to offend anyones opinions, through reading itihas this issue has arisen as seen in Naveen panth Prakash, Sri sarbloh Granth and the bhram kavach also. I'm simply trying to make sense of what I've found, but put my faith in the Charan of Aad Sri satguru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj

by reading page 2 pf this thread, I do not think you will find anything constructive regarding this topic on this forum. try SA and reddit.

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22 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

by reading page 2 pf this thread, I do not think you will find anything constructive regarding this topic on this forum. try SA and reddit.

perhaps because the question was based on his own misunderstanding of Sakhi of Keshav Das and his pakhand. He promised to make devi appear despite spending lots of money on substances and preparations , spending time and effort then trying to trick Guru ji after failing. Havan is pointless, achieves nothing , which is Guru pita ji's faisla so it is ridiculous to think or say that he DID havan . GurPita ji opened his children's eyes permanently to the truth , to leave the false ways and grasp naam body and soul.

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On 9/2/2017 at 5:04 AM, Guest said:

Beggers the question then what is the difference between HINDU and SIKH ?

If we're going to worship their way and worship their devi devtey , why insist on a separate Sikh identity ?

what is the reality man ?

Read brahm kavach

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On 5/17/2020 at 4:40 AM, Guest Read some bani said:

Read brahm kavach

Why do Nihang Singhs light a fire while doing Brahm Kavach paath? I called it a fire because I don't wanna label it as Havan out of ignorance. I'm confused about it. Is it a Havan? Why do the Nihangs follow such a maryada? Is it anti-Gurmat or in line with Gurmat?

I have another question. At the end of Brahm Kavach, we read the last line of dohra goes "paatth sava laakh havan kar jeet jung tab hog". At a basic level, it seems like it means "when you do 1,25,000 paatths of Brahm Kavach along with the Havan, you shall be victorious in the battlefield". There are videos of Nihangs doing just this. But as per SGGS ji, we know Havan is not in line with Gurmat. Are Nihang Singhs in the wrong? Someone please reply and dispell my shanka ji. Thankyou.

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