Should non-practising sikhs be allowed Anand karaj?

[Sukhvirk1976]

On 5/27/2018 at 1:09 AM, ipledgeblue said:

modern 19th/20th century  Anand Karaj  ceremony was created for amrit dharis originally.

Just to point out a simple historical fact.. Anand karaj existed before Amrit sanchar so that can't be true 

[Sukhvirk1976]

On 6/30/2018 at 5:05 AM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

For interfaith ppl, they can get a registry marriage. Then come do an ardaas and hukamnama at gurudwara to ask gurujis blessings. Instead of making vows to follow guruji as in anand karaj.

But sikhs should do anand karaj. Cuz its like not inviting the most important person in ur life to ur wedding. Before doing anything major, puratan rehitname say to do ardaas and ask for gurujis blessings. Its wat makes us sikh. There r 4 cermonies each sikh person should do according to rehit and they correspond to 4 stages of life. 

NaamKaran- doing ardaas after a baby is born and asking guruji to bless that child. Then taking a hukamnama. Usually ppl name the child according to the 1st letter of that hukamnama. But its up to the parents.

Vidhya sanskaar- before a child starts school. Also.do ardaas. Or before a child starts learning gurmukhi which can be before english school starts at age 3 or 4.

Anand Karaj- wedding according to sikh ceremonies and sikh rituals. In hajoori of gurusahib.

Antam sanskaar- funeral in the sikh manner. Which is bathing the body. Dressing in good clothes and panj kakaar if amritdhari. Then cremation. 

Did your parents do naam karan and vidya sanskaar for you? 

This is totally nonsensical because it would exclude people who have taken Amrit but whose parents hadn't done the first 2.?

[Sukhvirk1976]

On 6/22/2018 at 11:31 PM, TheeTurbanator said:

Yes, it's something that every single physical Guru did (except Siri Harkrishan Ji becuase he was literally too young). 

 

The Anand Karaj is not like the western concept of "marriage", its a contract between the couple and the Guru to live a life according to Sikhi. It has a spiritual requirement that is not met with a simple registry marriage. There is a specific reason the Guru created the Anand Karaj, and it was to put the couple on the path of Sikhi as well as to give Sikhs a distinct identity. 

Yes and that distinct identity was to transcend identity.. 

[ipledgeblue]

21 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Just to point out a simple historical fact.. Anand karaj existed before Amrit sanchar so that can't be true 

but modern anand karaj didn't exist before 1699, I am talking about the modern sgpc/nirankari version.

[Sukhvirk1976]

32 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

but modern anand karaj didn't exist before 1699, I am talking about the modern sgpc/nirankari version.

I think you have just answered your own question.. Modern anand karaj didn't exist before 1699 but it did exist 

[Guest Singh]

On 6/22/2018 at 3:32 PM, jkvlondon said:

yes for the spiritual as it is a dedication of both souls to the mission of supporting each in the spiritual journey to Akal Purakh whereas for most manmukhs it wouldn't have the same depth of meaning

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[Guest sikh]

On 5/25/2018 at 5:19 PM, Guest Pakhand said:

The reason Sikhs don't allow people of other faiths to get married through an Anand karaj is because they are being pakhandi and promising to follow Guru when they clearly aren't going to. But what about those Sikhs who don't practice sikhi and bow to Guru Ji promising to follow Guru Ji when they obviously aren't going to practice sikhi either? Should we allow them an Anand karaj? How can we stop others who don't practice sikhi to not go to an Anand karaj but those Sikhs who are already being pakhandi by calling themselves sikh carry out even more pakhand by doing the same thing as non Sikhs at an Anand karaj?

 

please give your honest answers. Time we discussed these topics rather wait for those who don't care in power to not discuss them. 

This is ridiculous post^^

 

You fail to realise that everyone is at their own stage of learning. We are not fanatical, we dont force people to believe in anything, nor do we give them the ultimatum to fast track their beliefs and faith. 

 

Respect the stages that God himself has placed people at, who are u to judge. It's all His will. Everything is perfect according to his power. 

 

Just as everyone is welcome to partake in langar, from the greatest sinners to the most pious of souls, so is everyone welcome to marry in the same Gurdwarra. 

 

Don't be so judgemental and look at your own flaws first. That's your responsibility on this earth.