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[MisterrSingh]

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Can someone please explain to me, some people say that you reap what you sow in your lifetime.

Do we actually atone for our sins in this life only? 

But Aurangzeb lived up to a ripe old age of 93. He never reaped what he had sown.

It is said what goes around comes around but not for this person. 

I think there's an element of the sinner's deeds being visited upon their offspring or their loved ones, so that he or she can observe, in their own lifetime, the fruits of their evil impacting their own blood as the ultimate punishment for targeting innocents. Seems a bit cruel, but life is cruel. I recall a sakhi which says this no longer applies in kalyug, as this phenomenon was more of an occurrence in the Dwapar (or was it Treta?) yug, whereas supposedly in kaljug you are meant to reap what you sow directly. However, from personal observation and experience, I have to say I've seen this "sins of the father" phenomenon still transpires to this very day in our own community; despicably evil individuals ruining young lives, thinking they've escaped punishment as the decades pass without any blowback or consequences, only for the loved ones of the perpetrators to suddenly begin dropping like flies over the course of a few years. I suppose it varies from case to case. Who genuinely knows how this karmic justice / debt system really works?

[jkvlondon]

3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Can someone please explain to me, some people say that you reap what you sow in your lifetime.

Do we actually atone for our sins in this life only? 

But Aurangzeb lived up to a ripe old age of 93. He never reaped what he had sown.

It is said what goes around comes around but not for this person. 

he had been a man of bhagti in previous lives that's why he was given raj in this life , because he did intense prayers, haaj, stayed in discipline  etc and the fact he did not have amrit whatever good karams he earned by ibadat this lifetime were used in this life but it could not cover the mahapaaps he committed (could never be countered in any number of lifetimes)  so he is now under Akal Purakh's judgement now

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

I think there's an element of the sinner's deeds being visited upon their offspring, so that he or she can observe, in their own lifetime, the fruits of their evil being visited upon their loved ones as the ultimate punishment for targeting innocents. I recall a sakhi which says this no longer applies in kalyug, as this phenomenon was more of an occurrence in the Dwapar (or was it Treta?) yug, whereas supposedly in kaljug you are meant to reap what you sow directly. However, from personal observation and experience, I have to say I've seen this "sins of the father" phenomenon still transpires to this very day in our own community; despicably evil individuals ruining young lives, thinking they've escaped punishment as the decades pass without any blowback or consequences, only for the loved ones of the perpetrators to suddenly begin dropping like flies over the course of a few years. I suppose it varies from case to case. Who genuinely knows how this karmic justice / debt system really works?

in satyug I thought it was one person sinned and the whole world paid for it

then tretha one person and the country paid for it

dwapur one person and kul suffered

kalyug one person, they suffer themselves

Guru Bachan in Gurbani and rehitname speaks of actions which will destroy your kul, and others which will condemn your own soul to suffer. Besides isn't Sikh concept of yugs equivalent to states of being on the spiritual/mental plane?

As for Aurangzeb's descendants they are struggling now to even eat , I remember a couple of years back they came to Darbar Sahib to beg forgiveness

[puzzled]

http://www.academia.edu/15340298/The_death-bed_letters_and_the_last_wills_of_Emperor_Auragzeb

https://persian.packhum.org/persian/main?url=pf%3Ffile%3D03002030%26ct%3D18

 

These are supposedly his last words or last will 

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

in satyug I thought it was one person sinned and the whole world paid for it

then tretha one person and the country paid for it

dwapur one person and kul suffered

kalyug one person, they suffer themselves

Guru Bachan in Gurbani and rehitname speaks of actions which will destroy your kul, and others which will condemn your own soul to suffer. Besides isn't Sikh concept of yugs equivalent to states of being on the spiritual/mental plane?

As for Aurangzeb's descendants they are struggling now to even eat , I remember a couple of years back they came to Darbar Sahib to beg forgiveness

It was something like that. I last heard the katha a very long time ago.

[Guest]

He's eating pork.

[Big_Tera]

1 hour ago, monatosingh said:

He's eating pork.

What did the pig do to deserve being eaten? 

[Guest AjeetSinghPunjabi]

Karma is lord's rule. Just like the law of a country applies to all citizens of that country, irrelevant of that person's wealth or other indicators, so is karma the lord's rule for this universe and applies to prince and pauper alike.

Aurangzeb did suffer his karma's partly during his lifetime and partly later. Didn't he die a guilty death , full of mental agony. Sometimes mental and emotional suffering is more than physical . 

Other mughal emperors suffered physical karma as well. Farukhsiar for instance was responsible for torture of Banda Singh Bahadur ji , but he was tortured in almost the same way by his rebels. You will find these parallels 

 

The earliest references of karmic principle is perhaps from this text embedded inside Yajur veda

Quote

 

Now as a man is like this or like that,
according as he acts and according as he behaves, so will he be;
a man of good acts will become good, a man of bad acts, bad;
he becomes pure by pure deeds, bad by bad deeds;

And here they say that a person consists of desires,
and as is his desire, so is his will;
and as is his will, so is his deed;
and whatever deed he does, that he will reap.

— Brihadaranyaka Upanishad

 

Or as Gurbani says in Baavan Akhri baani 
 

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Dadda Dos na deyo karte Dos karama aapneya . Jo main kiya so main paaya dos na dije avar jana 

(The letter 'D' : Don't blame the lord for the actions of your own , the fault lies with your own karmas. What I have did , that I have obtained, do not blame others for it.)

 

 

Having said all these , don't we think we're in a hell too . Forget aurangzeb , we ourselves live in the pain of duality . We too are in hell , its just that we don't know it and despite all the akhri gyaan we accumulate, we fall prey to same weaknesses of human nature.