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Does anyone have any information about the Sikh view not Hindu view of Kalyug? How far are we in and how long is left? What happens after Kalyug?... 

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20 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

but what about the idea that yugs also co respond to spiritual development ...so a person getting closer to mission end will be in permanent satyug despite appearence of world ?

That’s a different thing and OP was not asking about spirtual yugs.

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5 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

but what about the idea that yugs also co respond to spiritual development ...so a person getting closer to mission end will be in permanent satyug despite appearence of world ?

VJKK VJKF 

Penji, I believe there maybe a slight confusion between jugs and khands here.

As humans we cannot change what jug we are in because if we had that choice we would all be in Satjug. Additionally, this age we are stuck in of "Kal" is just like any other age... with time it will increase to the point where it hits its peak and then will die and go back into "Ik".  And even as nice as Satjug sounds, it also will die and go back into "Ik", just like it did before and now we get to Kaljug. Therefore we cannot have a permanent state of Satjug, but instead a permanent state of Sachkhand. The jug is decided by Guru Ji but the khands, however, are a different kettle of fish. Of course, everything is in our Guru's hands however Guru Ji didn't say "Karamee Appo Appnee Ke Nerhe Ke Ddhoor" for no reason Ji. The reason I say this is because we can choose to indulge in kaam or indulge in bani. We can chose to indulge in ahankaar or choose to indulge in nimrata. We can choose to indulge in the world or choose to indulge in our Guru Ji. Now based upon what we choose we will progress or regress in terms of spiritual development. We are responsible for our own actions and so as we advance in our spiritual development (hopefully we picked all the latter of those 3 options) we get closer to a permanent stage of Sachkhand. The khands are the ones that we can relate to our avastha, not the jugs. Sachkhand is permanent and goes nowhere... it never has gone anywhere because it's where Vaheguru Ji resides Ji. I hope this may clear this up. 

If I've said anything that may have offended you, Bhul Chuk Kimmah Bakshni Ji. 

Vaheguru Ji.

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1 hour ago, Singh2017 said:

VJKK VJKF 

Penji, I believe there maybe a slight confusion between jugs and khands here.

As humans we cannot change what jug we are in because if we had that choice we would all be in Satjug. Additionally, this age we are stuck in of "Kal" is just like any other age... with time it will increase to the point where it hits its peak and then will die and go back into "Ik".  And even as nice as Satjug sounds, it also will die and go back into "Ik", just like it did before and now we get to Kaljug. Therefore we cannot have a permanent state of Satjug, but instead a permanent state of Sachkhand. The jug is decided by Guru Ji but the khands, however, are a different kettle of fish. Of course, everything is in our Guru's hands however Guru Ji didn't say "Karamee Appo Appnee Ke Nerhe Ke Ddhoor" for no reason Ji. The reason I say this is because we can choose to indulge in kaam or indulge in bani. We can chose to indulge in ahankaar or choose to indulge in nimrata. We can choose to indulge in the world or choose to indulge in our Guru Ji. Now based upon what we choose we will progress or regress in terms of spiritual development. We are responsible for our own actions and so as we advance in our spiritual development (hopefully we picked all the latter of those 3 options) we get closer to a permanent stage of Sachkhand. The khands are the ones that we can relate to our avastha, not the jugs. Sachkhand is permanent and goes nowhere... it never has gone anywhere because it's where Vaheguru Ji resides Ji. I hope this may clear this up. 

If I've said anything that may have offended you, Bhul Chuk Kimmah Bakshni Ji. 

Vaheguru Ji.

then how can the khalsa raj be described as Satyug when we all know that kalyug continues on, is it the case of misinterpretation of Guru ji's bachan or is it something deeper  than the standard description given by Hindu texts ?

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15 hours ago, Guest RRR1928 said:

Does anyone have any information about the Sikh view not Hindu view of Kalyug? How far are we in and how long is left? What happens after Kalyug?... 

VJKK VKKF 

As I have been taught I've learnt that Kaljug lasts for 428,000 years and that it has just begun as we are only in the 2,018th year of this Jug. After Kaljug, we go back to Satjug and this cycle starts again of the 4 jugs. In Chaubis Avtar within Sahib Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji, Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji explains what happens when Kaljug comes to an end. They go into much detail but in a nutshell, there is mass adharam and there is a huge battle that takes place in which the Nihkalanki Avtaar (the final avtar which is Vaheguru Ji themselves that take on a physical form) comes and destroys all the adharam and ends Kaljug and restarts Satjug. This is not to say that others are wrong and this is purely what I've been taught Ji. I hope this helps somewhat.

P.S. - if you would like to read Guru Ji's bani on this yourself I will leave a link to it here for you Ji. https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Ath_Nihkalanki_Chobisvon_Avtar_Kathan

Vaheguru Ji.

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19 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

then how can the khalsa raj be described as Satyug when we all know that kalyug continues on, is it the case of misinterpretation of Guru ji's bachan or is it something deeper  than the standard description given by Hindu texts ?

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Personally, I've never seen any bani where Khalsa Raaj is being described as Satjug Ji but that is definitely not to say there isn't any. Khalsa can also do Raaj in Kaljug because Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji and Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji did/do Khalsa Raaj in Kaljug too. Maybe what was being said, which is what I believe so take it with a pinch of salt, is that during the time of Satjug there will only be a Khalsa Raaj or (another literal way to look at it is) that wherever there is a mass amount of Khalsa present (like a Nagar Kirtan or within the Gurudwara) for the time that it is pargatt (manifest/present) there is only truth present there. 

Edit: Sorry, I hadn't read the last few words about Hindu texts. I would say that we need not to worry about other faiths and their ideas of when an what things happen because our Guru is Pooran (perfect and complete) so if in doubt, give the Guru a shout! If we look towards anyone else apart from our Guru we are making big, big mistakes. Today we can look at the Hindu version of jugs and then tomorrow we will end up looking at the Islam version of jugs and when we go there we find that there is only one jug and there is also only one life. This will only cause confusion so it's best to stay with our SatGuru Ji.

Just a quick plug for Guest (and Sangat) Ji - Kaljug will end in many, many years from now but our short human lives won't. So the real question we should be asking ourselves is not what happens after Kaljug, but what happens after we've served our time in Kaljug? The answer to that question is that if you have done all your Guru has asked of you then you will return to your Guru and reside in Sachkhand and reach Amarpuri. If you have not, then let this be the moment we start to make changes to make sure we aren't worried about where we are going after our physical "Jug" ends, but to leave with the anticipation to meet our stay with our SatGuru forever. 

My budhi is limited but hopefully that might help Ji. 

Vaheguru Ji.

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3 hours ago, Singh2017 said:

So the real question we should be asking ourselves is not what happens after Kaljug, but what happens after we've served our time in Kaljug? The answer to that question is that if you have done all your Guru has asked of you then you will return to your Guru and reside in Sachkhand and reach Amarpuri.

Really like what you're saying in the various threads. 

Makes me think of Jivan Mukte (sp?)

Not only serve our time in good form, but hurry to the Guru's door with our head in our hands, and kill our ego mind desire now. Die today!....figuratively. 

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