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why we are opposing namdhari baba thakur dalip singh

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my dear Sikh brother just please think why we are opposing namdhari baba thakur dalip singh just think is not it what he is saying is not it that true and is not it that he is doing something for sikh panth ?  is not it he grow sikhs or we are just opposing without giving second thought we should re think

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he is a RSS guy and he openly call himself a hindu.... isnt that enough for us to excommunicate him ?

and also because Namdharis dont believe in SGGS.... they just pick up some lines that they like to get SIKHS into their Fold and they still have Guru which is not SGGS ji....  

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Bhaini Sahib is like 20 minute distance from my village and I went there this time with my cousin . He showed me place. we even partook of langar (they didn't offer us water thought, strange) . One things for sure, they're very rich ppl , considering the vast land they own in bhaini sahib and surrounding shops almost all owned by kukeey . 

One weird thing is they believe in guru other than Guru granth sahib but at the same time I saw in their deewan , they had pics of Guru Nanak dev ji and Guru Gobind singh ji along with their own guru . And they have SGGS and read from it but at the same time next to it , they also read from another pothi and the guy is putting ghee on dhoop . why do they do hawan ?

In Bhaini sahib, there's also one step well which the local kukkeys told us was the place where "Bhagwan Ramchandar" did tapp and britishers asked kukkey what evidence u have . So they told brits that u will find charcoal for havan if u dig . So they found it in digging and brits had to handover the step well area to them. 

They wear kachhere , but not kirpans , thats one messed up combination . 

Do they have moneh men in them ? i was told they don't' have by a non-kukka.

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48 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

the fact that most of them still have belief in alternate Guru Ship from Guru Granth  Sahib ji means they were never sikhs .

ppl who make argument "why not believe in SGGS and also some other guru/devi devte" should try crossing the ocean with one leg in one boat and another leg in another boat. 

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1 hour ago, Amit12 said:

he is a RSS guy and he openly call himself a hindu.... isnt that enough for us to excommunicate him ?

and also because Namdharis dont believe in SGGS.... they just pick up some lines that they like to get SIKHS into their Fold and they still have Guru which is not SGGS ji....  

they didn't exist prior to the british raaj I think. Most of their history is post-mughal period and during the times of britishers when prominent namdharis were executed by britishers.

I am wondering if britishers had a role in their creation. If not, what is the origins of namdharis ??

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2 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

they didn't exist prior to the british raaj I think. Most of their history is post-mughal period and during the times of britishers when prominent namdharis were executed by britishers.

I am wondering if britishers had a role in their creation. If not, what is the origins of namdharis ??

Dont know abt britishers involvement in their rise to popularity... But surely they are eating off of someone else's Shaheedi....  Who may even have a whole different SOCH than these guys..

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On 12/4/2018 at 12:30 PM, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

they didn't exist prior to the british raaj I think. Most of their history is post-mughal period and during the times of britishers when prominent namdharis were executed by britishers.

I am wondering if britishers had a role in their creation. If not, what is the origins of namdharis ??

purely starting in british era  in late 1800s , they lost their kirpans when the angrez put in a law against kirpans and arms carrying , they have a symbol shaped piece of metal on their kangey for kirpan (just in case you ecer wonder what those mini kirpans and khandey are on kangey for) . Their first baba was actually an imprisoned Gursikh of Guru Gobind Singh who was in Singapore prison he was declared as such by some mischievious parties in India may to his pleas to stop as he didn't want to be accursed by Guru Sahiban . Then after he passed they nominated from within their bemukh mass

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2 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

Yeah, what is going on?

Looks like a desi rave 

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Are kookay and naamdhari the same thing ? Is it true that when they do kirtan they make loud koo koo koo koo noises?  

I think there are some misconceptions about these people 

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Just now, puzzled said:

Why do they get married around fire?  I like the white clothes though 

 

They shouldn't be. They should be doing Laavan da paath and going round Guru Sahib.

This Namdhari sect doesn't even make sense as well. Their leader Raam Singh said that he wasn't a guru and that he served Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaaj only and no one else. They probably think they need a physical Guru but Maharaaj has said that the Khalsa is his body and that each Gursikh is his physical form and his other form is Shabad. Guru Granth Sahib ji is the guru the Khalsa is the body of the Guru

There is writing where Bhai Nand Lal hi asks Guru Gobind Singh ji Maharaaj What are you? And Guru Sahib replied I have 3 forms listen closely. Sargun Nirgun and Gur Shabad

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