why we are opposing namdhari baba thakur dalip singh

[puzzled]

4 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Why not? They do Laavan. Walking around Guru Sahib is a recent innovation. I'm not saying that it's wrong or that we should go back to the old way of doing it, it works just fine, but that's not to say walking around a Havan is wrong either. There are some prachaarks who believe that Havan was performed by Sikhs. Sant Gyaani Inderjeet Singh Ji Raqba mentions this, and it's mentioned in various other places.

Before Saroops of Maharaaj were printed on a mass scale, there was no walking around Maharaaj. There also isn't enough evidence to conclude how marriages were conducted during the times of the Gurus...even after Laavan was composed, do you think the whole Panth went to do phere around the physical Saroop of the Gurus? Maharaaj would have spent their entire days conducting wedding ceremonies!

The Kooka Movement shouldn't be insulted either, they did a great service for the Panth. As for what they became later on, I disagree with the direction. Nonetheless for the most part, they have cordial relations with other Sampardas.

What's the purpose walking around fire? Like what does it symbolize? Is it special fire? 

Didn't guru Nanak refuse to walk around fire and drew ek onkar in the soil and Wales around that instead . 

[Amit12]

42 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Are kookay and naamdhari the same thing ? Is it true that when they do kirtan they make loud koo koo koo koo noises?  

I think there are some misconceptions about these people 

Same 

[RajKaregaKhalsa1]

7 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Why not? They do Laavan. Walking around Guru Sahib is a recent innovation. I'm not saying that it's wrong or that we should go back to the old way of doing it, it works just fine, but that's not to say walking around a Havan is wrong either. There are some prachaarks who believe that Havan was performed by Sikhs. Sant Gyaani Inderjeet Singh Ji Raqba mentions this, and it's mentioned in various other places.

But still when Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaaj was getting married he refused to get married around a fire and got married around Ik Oankaar

[Amit12]

11 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Why not? They do Laavan. Walking around Guru Sahib is a recent innovation. I'm not saying that it's wrong or that we should go back to the old way of doing it, it works just fine, but that's not to say walking around a Havan is wrong either. There are some prachaarks who believe that Havan was performed by Sikhs. Sant Gyaani Inderjeet Singh Ji Raqba mentions this, and it's mentioned in various other places.

Before Saroops of Maharaaj were printed on a mass scale, there was no walking around Maharaaj. There also isn't enough evidence to conclude how marriages were conducted during the times of the Gurus...even after Laavan was composed, do you think the whole Panth went to do phere around the physical Saroop of the Gurus? Maharaaj would have spent their entire days conducting wedding ceremonies!

The Kooka Movement shouldn't be insulted either, they did a great service for the Panth. As for what they became later on, I disagree with the direction. Nonetheless for the most part, they have cordial relations with other Sampardas.

Why'd you defend them dude ?

[MrDoaba]

25 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Didn't guru Nanak refuse to walk around fire and drew ek onkar in the soil and Wales around that instead . 

24 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

But still when Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaaj was getting married he refused to get married around a fire and got married around Ik Oankaar

There's nothing to support this Sakhi as it told. Writing Gurbani on the ground would be a big no-no. The other version states Ik Onkaar was written on paper and placed in a high location...there is no evidence of this either.

The question also arises...that whenever there was something that Guru Sahib challenged, such as the Janeu for example, Gurbani was Uchaared, to provide the Gurmat view. However in this instance there isn't any. Wouldn't there have been if such a ceremony has been rejected especially since such a huge deal is made over this Sakhi?

It's possible (and most likely) Gurbani was read out whilst rounds were made around the fire.

Although this isn't concrete evidence itself, this mural provides an alternate course of events:

 

 

[puzzled]

42 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

There's nothing to support this Sakhi as it told. Writing Gurbani on the ground would be a big no-no. The other version states Ik Onkaar was written on paper and placed in a high location...there is no evidence of this either.

The question also arises...that whenever there was something that Guru Sahib challenged, such as the Janeu for example, Gurbani was Uchaared, to provide the Gurmat view. However in this instance there isn't any. Wouldn't there have been if such a ceremony has been rejected especially since such a huge deal is made over this Sakhi?

It's possible (and most likely) Gurbani was read out whilst rounds were made around the fire.

Although this isn't concrete evidence itself, this mural provides an alternate course of events:

 

 

Yeah but what does the fire represent? What is it? Why is it there?  Why do they plonk it in the middle? 

[jkvlondon]

3 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

Why not? They do Laavan. Walking around Guru Sahib is a recent innovation. I'm not saying that it's wrong or that we should go back to the old way of doing it, it works just fine, but that's not to say walking around a Havan is wrong either. There are some prachaarks who believe that Havan was performed by Sikhs. Sant Gyaani Inderjeet Singh Ji Raqba mentions this, and it's mentioned in various other places.

Before Saroops of Maharaaj were printed on a mass scale, there was no walking around Maharaaj. There also isn't enough evidence to conclude how marriages were conducted during the times of the Gurus...even after Laavan was composed, do you think the whole Panth went to do phere around the physical Saroop of the Gurus? Maharaaj would have spent their entire days conducting wedding ceremonies!

The Kooka Movement shouldn't be insulted either, they did a great service for the Panth. As for what they became later on, I disagree with the direction. Nonetheless for the most part, they have cordial relations with other Sampardas.

why would you invoke agni devta instead of gurshabad  as a gursikh?

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

Yeah but what does the fire represent? What is it? Why is it there?  Why do they plonk it in the middle? 

maybe mool mantra was spoken or full jap ji sahib  because it was clear Guru ji did not do the vedic rasams thats why they tried to kill him by throwing the wall over him

[jkvlondon]

another reason to distance ourselves from such people ,

namdharis marching in support of building ram temple in ayodhya , it's not our business and frankly is kind of sided with breakers of temples/mosques  which is not the sikh way

[Guest Khalsa Raj]

Doaba is in love with all things Sanatan, frankly I'm surprised you haven't converted to the Hindu Dharam as you condone its practices at opportunity. You say there is no evidence of Guru Nanak Ji marrying around Gurbani, what do you have that proves they did fere around fire, or is it simply an inkling. Considering how they literally opposed numerous Hindu customs it is highly unlikely havan was involved.

 

Kookey 'did' serve the Panth. How are they doing it now by believing in dehdharis