Holocaust of India

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27 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

That looks like a good book. 

You don't really see much that is original coming out these days. 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gandhi-Racist-Revolutionary-Pieter-Friedrich-ebook/dp/B077P1797Z/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

looks interesting as well its by the same author. i like books with alternative views 

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1 hour ago, puzzled said:

yeah its a good book, different perspective on caste system, gets you thinking. bhamans are still ruling india

Have you read it?

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2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Have you read it?

Not all of it, I easily lose concentration lol, might continue reading it today.  But it's a thought provoking book. 

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The martyrdom of Guru Arjun (1563-1606), carried out in Lahore under the orders of Delhi Emperor Jahangir (1569-1627), was a turning point in the struggle of the people of the Indian subcontinent to secure their human dignity. This struggle was compounded by foreign invasions which imposed a dehumanizing sociopolitical structure. Guru Arjun’s persecution was instigated by the elite who benefited from the centuries of oppression produced by the caste system, a power structure which enslaved South Asia’s indigenous people. The diverse indigenous communities, ranging from Punjab to Nagaland and Kashmir to the Tamil country, included Adivasis (tribal peoples), Shudras (the lowest of the four castes), and Ati-Shudras (outcastes). United by their exclusion from society, which is dictated by the caste system, these communities represent the majority of the population. In company with others who fundamentally reject caste and its hierarchical system of repression, they are collectively known as the Mulnivasi Bahujan (original people in the majority). From 20th century civil rights champions like Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar, the Mulnivasi (original people) can trace their fight for equality and liberty back to South Asian Gurus (spiritual teachers) like Arjun, Nanak, Ravidas, Kabir, Namdev, Farid, and other torchbearers in the struggle to secure the human dignity of the common person. Occurring at the height of Guru Arjun’s endeavor to institutionalize that struggle as the Sikh Panth, his arrest, torture, and execution was a landmark attempt by Brahmans (the high-caste elite), in collaboration with Mughal invaders, to suppress a flourishing movement to secure the liberation of the downtrodden Mulnivasi. The Warm Shop — In his memoirs, Jahangir (whose great-grandfather, Babur, established the Mughal Empire’s foreign rule of India) clearly details his reasons for persecuting the Guru "There lived a Hindu named Arjun in the garb of Pir [saint] and Sheikh [king], so much so that, having captivated many simple-hearted Hindus — nay, even foolish and stupid Muslims — by his ways and manners, he had noised himself about as a religious and worldly leader. They called him Guru, and from all directions fools and fool-worshippers were attracted towards him and expressed full faith in him. For three or four generations, they had kept this shop warm. For years, the thought had been presenting itself to me that either I should put an end to this false traffic or he should be brought into the fold of Islam. . . . When this came to the ears of our majesty, and I fully knew his heresies, I ordered that he should be brought into my presence, and having handed over his houses, dwelling places, and children . . . and having confiscated his property, I ordered that he should be put to death with tortures"

Friedrich, Pieter. Captivating the Simple-Hearted: A Struggle for Human Dignity in the Indian Subcontinent (Kindle Locations 115-137). Sovereign Star Publishing. Kindle Edition. 

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Jean-Baptiste Tavernier, a 17th-century French merchant who wrote about his travels in the Mughal Empire, corroborated Srivastava’s 20th-century conclusion that the caste system enabled India’s subjugation by foreign invaders.

“The idolaters of India are so numerous that for one Muhammadan there are five or six Gentiles,” writes Tavernier. Nevertheless, their numerical superiority did not empower them to resist invasion. He continues, It is astonishing to see how this enormous multitude of men has allowed itself to be subjected by so small a number of persons, and has bent readily under the yoke of the Muhammadan princes. But the astonishment ceases when one considers that these idolaters have no union among themselves, and that superstition has introduced so strange a diversity of opinions and customs that they never agree with one another. An idolater will not eat bread nor drink water in a house belonging to any one of a different caste from his own"

Foreign occupation was irresistible by a society divided into castes. Even then, however, the occupation might have inspired the common people to jettison caste and unite in resistance to the invaders. Yet this was prevented by the high-caste — the Brahmans — who ingratiated themselves with the conquerors, secured privileged positions in the courts of the foreign Emperors, and used the occupation as an opportunity to entrench Brahmanism. According to Theertha, the caste system took deeper root as Brahmans collaborated with the occupiers. The disappearance of Buddhism and the passing of political power into the hands of Muhammadans, though they meant the extermination of national life, was a still triumph for Brahmanism. . . . One prominent result of the invasion of India by the Muhammadans was that, so far as Hindu society was concerned, Brahmans became its undisputed leaders and law-givers. . . . When the Muhammadans had overcome all opposition and settled down as rulers, unless some of them were fanatically inclined to make forcible conversions, they left the Hindus in the hands of their religious leaders and, whenever they wanted to pacify them by quiet methods, they made use of the Brahmans as their accredited representatives. Another great advantage was that, for the first time in history, all the peoples of India, of all sects and denominations, were brought under the supremacy of the Brahmans. Till then, they had claimed to be priests of only the three higher castes and did not presume to speak for the Shudras and other Indian peoples except to keep them at a safe distance. The Muhammadans called all the non-Muslim inhabitants, without any discrimination, by the common name “Hindu,” which practically meant non-Muslim and nothing more. This simple fact . . . condemned the dumb millions of the country to perpetual subjection to their priestly exploiters. Indians became “Hindus,” their religion became Hinduism, and Brahmans became their masters. . . . Brahmanism became Hinduism, that is, the religion of all who were not followers of the Prophet of Mecca. Fortified thus in an unassailable position of sole religious authority, Brahmans commenced to establish their theocratic overlordship of all India.19

Friedrich, Pieter. Captivating the Simple-Hearted: A Struggle for Human Dignity in the Indian Subcontinent (Kindle Locations 264-281). Sovereign Star Publishing. Kindle Edition. 

Friedrich, Pieter. Captivating the Simple-Hearted: A Struggle for Human Dignity in the Indian Subcontinent (Kindle Locations 256-264). Sovereign Star Publishing. Kindle Edition. 

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On 12/30/2018 at 11:38 PM, puzzled said:

Jean-Baptiste Tavernier, a 17th-century French merchant who wrote about his travels in the Mughal Empire, corroborated Srivastava’s 20th-century conclusion that the caste system enabled India’s subjugation by foreign invaders.

“The idolaters of India are so numerous that for one Muhammadan there are five or six Gentiles,” writes Tavernier. Nevertheless, their numerical superiority did not empower them to resist invasion. He continues, It is astonishing to see how this enormous multitude of men has allowed itself to be subjected by so small a number of persons, and has bent readily under the yoke of the Muhammadan princes. But the astonishment ceases when one considers that these idolaters have no union among themselves, and that superstition has introduced so strange a diversity of opinions and customs that they never agree with one another. An idolater will not eat bread nor drink water in a house belonging to any one of a different caste from his own"

When I was younger and older brit goray hadn't yet learnt to hide their blatant pride in their colonialism I used to hear outright boasts about how Indians are monkeys because it only took a handful of brits to completely subdue the continent. So this docile, slave mentality was pervasive and long lasting even after the end of moghul rule. 

 

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On 12/30/2018 at 12:12 AM, MisterrSingh said:

Never heard a peep from OP on 1984, Jaliawalabagh, and Partition, but when it comes to his high-caste ancestors being massacred, then he gets the violins out.  

OP is an outcome of those hindu-sikh mixed families where the hindu side is dominant or ends up diluting the sikh side.

Either that, or he's an undercover hindu OR he's simply a troll ! 

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1 hour ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

OP is an outcome of those hindu-sikh mixed families where the hindu side is dominant or ends up diluting the sikh side.

Either that, or he's an undercover hindu OR he's simply a troll ! 

Perhaps. I think it was just a very convoluted way of him downplaying various atrocities meted out on Sikhs -- a faith he feels is dominated by one particular caste group that he doesn't seem to like -- and therefore by drawing attention away from those most recent atrocities, in his twisted mind he's striking a blow against the aforementioned caste group and the religion itself by suggesting, "You people don't have a monopoly on persecution. We were persecuted before the creation of the Sikh faith." 

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2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

When I was younger and older brit goray hadn't yet learnt to hide their blatant pride in their colonialism I used to hear outright boasts about how Indians are monkeys because it only took a handful of brits to completely subdue the continent. So this docile, slave mentality was pervasive and long lasting even after the end of moghul rule. 

 

Well that's the thing India has been so easy to invade because indian society has been so divided and segmented. This is because of the caste system created by the bhamans. So even before the invasions indian society was already divided by caste based superstitions, the invaders greatly benefited from this division as noted by that European traveller. 

India always has had a massive population compared to the rest of the world so it's very embarrassing how such a massive population let a small amount of people rule over them for over 1000 years, a small number of peoppe who were completely alien to south asia and it's culture.

 

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But if you read how indian society was completely enslaved by the minority of bhamans then it's not hard to believe how indian society let foreign people rule over them.  From the bhamans, to the Turks, to the mughals an Afghan and then the Europeans and British and then the congress, it's been one ruler after another,  same slaves but different rulers lol

Same divide and rule method of ruling over the dumb masses