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Possible Contemporary Painting of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji?

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Anand Karaj is necessary and specific. Not only spiritually is it different than marriage, but temporally. 

Just one example. If you're having children in Kalyug instead of taking in children in Kalyug you're already involving the Karam of that. If you're birthing that child into a house where just the mother say is prepared for Dharam Yudh and the father isn't then not only is the child born in Kalyug but might lose his mother to Dharam Yudh. 

It takes the mother and father both being Gursikhs to bring Gursikhs properly into the world according to the Karam of it. The consent structure. 

2 minutes ago, Suchi said:

Certainly the Nirankaris believe that to be the case and have created their own sect for the same.  There are/were claims to have met GGS ji in his new identity and seen his stomach scars.  Certainly his body was never found/cremated.

All the Gurus had such an impact as to leave no doubt. 

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Just now, Suchi said:

I'm not sure I'm following you.  All his children had died or are you saying that wasn't the case?

No I'm saying that Anand Karaj is seperate, dinstinct and consensual. But you can look at the Gurus themselves. How can Guru Gobind Singh Ji give his childrens lives for a Paanth if Mata Sahib Kaur was not a Kaur?

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1 minute ago, Suchi said:

It's personal.  But the Chinese has created a whole medical science on piercings, namely acupuncture, where surgeries can be done with the patient fully awake and not sensitive to the pain due to having the relevant meridians switched off for as long as 2 hours.

I'm with all that. I wouldn't do anything permanent to myself though.

If they can Jaap while being sawn in half I'll be more impressed. Or go Alok. 

I guess to say it can be real and not needed by Guru Sahiban especially. 

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Just now, Suchi said:

I don't see that it makes any difference as his sons themselves wanted to fight and asked their father's permission.  That is enough in Indian custom. 

Even in the Paanth some things are expected of everyone and everything is expected of some. Those of who everything is expected have specific requirements and initiations. 

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