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On 7/3/2020 at 6:36 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Mmm I've read studies like that for a while, as someone who served bar for many years, I can tell you it's a load of <banned word filter activated> written by alcoholic doctors. 

 

as my friends in the health field say everyone loves to hear good news about their bad habits , remember the doctors recommending ciggies in early advertisment campaigns...

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The women in my family are sick and tired of this, it's sad, they did everything they could but even some of there own sons have started drinking like their fathers. When is this going to end? 

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21 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

But ayurveda is a respected science.

many Gursikhs r ayurveda doctors.

and most gursikhs encourage drinking alcohol??? I think not

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Just now, puzzled said:

The women in my family are sick and tired of this, it's sad, they did everything they could but even some of there own sons have started drinking like their fathers. When is this going to end? 

when we make it known that alcohol feminizes men , maybe then the macho will take over and they will stop... either thet or the missus kicks their failed macho asses out of the marital bed .

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19 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

A russian doctor who was teaching us biology said yes theres a lot of studeies saying alcohol in moderation is healthy. But he says if u can ever avoid starting alochol its best.

I think the moderation key is for alcoholics. For example, imagine the study is done in France. Where lets say everyone drinks alcohol. They find out ppl who drink only 1 glass ornless are the healthiest. So they start saying alcohol in moderarion is very good.

But what if, its the least amount of alcohol thats good. So i think the studies are trying to day drink in moderation. Not to start drinking. 

But this is all assumption. I would need to look at the study methods. 

Plus i have only heard red wine is good. And that because it uses red grapes and so has antioxodanta. Which u can get from the grapes itself. Otherwise alochol is a posion our liver has to detoxify. And thats why most ppl get hangovers from excreting the waste, which wastes water.

yep that french wine makers sponsored study has been debunked , it is much healthier to have the original grapes or juice than the wine because the polyphenols supplied are diminished by the alcohol action in the body.

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4 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

when we make it known that alcohol feminizes men , maybe then the macho will take over and they will stop... either thet or the missus kicks their failed macho asses out of the marital bed .

I'v seen the men in my family do some terrible things to their wives when they are drunk, and call their daughters degrading names  It so bad. 

My nana drank a lot and gave my nani grief, but then he stopped, and then his sons started drinking like fish and then their sons my cousins drink heavily now, my cousin has a 2 yr old boy and my mum was having a go at my cousin on the phone and saying when is this behaviour going to stop in our family, generation after generation it's just continuing, she said to him you've got a son now and you need to make sure you end the alcohol there and not pass it down. 

Its destroyed so many lives and families. 

 

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10 minutes ago, puzzled said:

I'v seen the men in my family do some terrible things to their wives when they are drunk, and call their daughters degrading names  It so bad. 

My nana drank a lot and gave my nani grief, but then he stopped, and then his sons started drinking like fish and then their sons my cousins drink heavily now, my cousin has a 2 yr old boy and my mum was having a go at my cousin on the phone and saying when is this behaviour going to stop in our family, generation after generation it's just continuing, she said to him you've got a son now and you need to make sure you end the alcohol there and not pass it down. 

Its destroyed so many lives and families. 

 

that's why Guru Sahiban told us in emphatic terms to stay away from it because they knew that's the enemy's of the panths way to destroy us permanently . Look at aborigines , Amer-indigenous tribes, Inuit and Cananadian Indigenous , Scottish, Irish and Punjabis what do they have in common ? they were displaced and done over by the English and have propensity to drink their troubles away , and who encouraged their habit ? the English . Look at the government now here in Uk , the first thing they've done is open the pubs  starting from 6am !! on the 4th July whilst announcing enforcement of further lockdown in different regions and draconian measures in shops and on the streets which interefere in freedom of movement for the vulnerable .

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17 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

that's why Guru Sahiban told us in emphatic terms to stay away from it because they knew that's the enemy's of the panths way to destroy us permanently . Look at aborigines , Amer-indigenous tribes, Inuit and Cananadian Indigenous , Scottish, Irish and Punjabis what do they have in common ? they were displaced and done over by the English and have propensity to drink their troubles away , and who encouraged their habit ? the English . Look at the government now here in Uk , the first thing they've done is open the pubs  starting from 6am !! on the 4th July whilst announcing enforcement of further lockdown in different regions and draconian measures in shops and on the streets which interefere in freedom of movement for the vulnerable .

I reckon this alcohol problem go'es back to the times of the Islamic invasions. Punjab faced the worst of these invasions and i guess the men took to alcohol as an escape from reality. It would be interesting to know about alcohol consumption in Punjab during the invasions. Punjabi people have been a very depressed and defeated people for a very long time, constant fear and anxiety so it would be no surprise if they took to alcohol until it became a part of the "culture"  Punjabis on the other side of the border have very bad reputation with alcohol has well in their own country. Paki Punjabi man that used to live opposite our house was a heavy drinker and back in the 90s he drove his car right into the house and they ended up with a hole in their house, this behavior happens a lot among them back in their country. So it would interesting to see where this obsession came from. 

Its so deeply rooted in people. makes you think if it will ever go away. Families really need to star putting their foot down because otherwise it will just spill into the next generation, i mean have people not had enough of it ? 

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3 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

alcohol is mentioned twice in Krishna avatar Dasam Granth Ji.

https://www.manglacharan.com/post/guru-gobind-singh-on-alcohol-krishnavtar

Sanatanis and their wrong arths if Sri Dasam Granth. These people are doing beadbi of Guru Sahib with their wrong arths.

First of all, Krishnaavtaar is katha. It is not meant as a spiritual guide.

In that story, Bhrigu Rishi was against alcohol because of the 'Kach' incident. But in this case, after the Yudh, the wine given to Krishan was from Brahma.

This has nothing to do with it being allowed or not, but it is just a point Guru Gobind Singh Ji added to that story, as it is a Katha.

Frankly, I believe we should boycott these Sanatanis just like we boycott Missionaries. They do the same wrong arths, but arrive at different conclusions.

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11 minutes ago, FreshMind13 said:

First of all, Krishnaavtaar is katha. It is not meant as a spiritual guide.

wat about hikaytan? It clearly mentions green cup(shaheedi degh).

if i am not wrong, it mentions alcohol too.

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24 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

wat about hikaytan? It clearly mentions green cup(shaheedi degh).

if i am not wrong, it mentions alcohol too.

they are farsi anuvaad of charitars.

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10 minutes ago, FreshMind13 said:

they are farsi anuvaad of charitars.

yes and in the end of the charitar, the author mentions that He needs green cup.

even at the start of fatehnama there is mention of shaheedi degh.

 

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1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

yes and in the end of the charitar, the author mentions that He needs green cup.

even at the start of fatehnama there is mention of shaheedi degh.

 

Shaheed Degh isn't alcohol. 

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1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

yes and in the end of the charitar, the author mentions that He needs green cup.

even at the start of fatehnama there is mention of shaheedi degh.

 

The author (Guru Sahib) is going katha of the Charitar. Guru Sahib isn't literally saying to get a green cup, neither is Guru Sahib talking to Saki.

I will look into the Fatehnama, but the example you have given seems to be from the mangal/sirlekh, not the actual text. Sirlekhs can be interpolated.

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