3 UK Sikh born arrested and being EXTRADITED to INDIA!

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59 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Is there a link to read or download the book in full?

This should work - http://access.bl.uk/item/viewer/ark:/81055/vdc_00000003545A#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&z=1109.6746%2C284.0088%2C2505.4647%2C1050.9099&xywh=-842%2C-588%2C3441%2C3260

[MisterrSingh]

27 minutes ago, intrigued said:

This should work - http://access.bl.uk/item/viewer/ark:/81055/vdc_00000003545A#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&z=1109.6746%2C284.0088%2C2505.4647%2C1050.9099&xywh=-842%2C-588%2C3441%2C3260

Thanks bro.

[intrigued]

No problem 

[pavitarsk]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/boris-johnson-to-visit-india-to-boost-jobs-and-prosperity

Boris Johnson to visit India to boost jobs and prosperity

 

This is his chance to pay attention to Indian farmers’ protests and plight. They can’t ignore it anymore. 

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Just now, Kau89r8 said:

Sikhs vs Sikhs

Its not limited to just Sikhs. In fact, the suffering of most communities today is at the hands of their own people, people who they expect to solve their problems. African community leaders are selling their own people as guinea pigs to Western doctors to try and test drugs on. Look at Aung San Suu Kyie.  

We only need to look at our ithiaas to see that there have been traitors from the very beginning. Guru Arjan Dev Jis jealous brother, friend of Chandu, betrayed his own brother out of jealousy and later attempted poisoning Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji. Out of bitterness he created his own dharam. Gangu Bramhin, Guru Sahibs family cook, he ate from the Gurus house as well as earned his living from the Gurus house, and then betrayed the Gurus family in such a way that in our ithiaas his name is synonyms with traitor. 

Giani Zail Singh stood next to Rajiv Gandhi in Delhi when he was taking oath, later same day Sikhs were set on fire under Rajiv Gandhis orders. 

Every page, every paragraph of our ithiaas is just as relevant today as it was centuries or decades ago. 

Problem is a lot people seem to think our community is "different" than others, and that our people can't fall that low. 

Traitors have been there since the very beginning. When God created Devtas he created Demons too and then sat back and watched the play, lol. 

It's part of human nature, the dark side, but some can fall low enough that they actually become traitors and betray their own family, friends or community.  Not much you can do about it ...     Why do we think our community is an exception ?   did we fall from heaven with halo's above our heads ? 

If we look at other cultures, they have their fair share of traitors in their ithiaas.

In Jewish tradition, Delilah, Samson's lover, told her brethren, the Philistines, where Samson gets his superman strength from. He was a Superman because of his hair, and the only two women that knew what gave him strength was his Mother and his lover Delilah. She took coins from her brethren and cut his hair while he was asleep, they then came to kill him and he had lost his strength because she cut his hair. The last person he looked at before they gouged his eyes out was Delilah. He trusted and loved her enough to tell her the secret behind his strength and hair.

In Christianity, it was Jesus' own disciple, Judas, that took gold coins from the Jewish priests and gave away Jesus' location and identity. When the Roman soldiers came to arrest Jesus, Judas kissed his cheek to identify him so the Roman soldiers knew which one was Jesus. A kiss, act of love, and betrayal at the same time. 

Its been happening since the beginning.

It's a part of human nature that our community has not really looked into, A lot of Sikhs are still under the delusion that "our" people are above all this.  

 

[MisterrSingh]

5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I'm just outright flabbergasted at just how slow and retarded many apnay are in political terms when it come to angreezjees.  It's infantile and so cringe!! 

These people have seen certain sections of the panth as dimwitted for a while now. It's time certain people put their vanities and pride aside and really comprehend how they are perceived and how this effects how we are treated (or mugged off as they say in London). All the boll0cks of promoting contributions in the 'world wars' (which were really just a kick off with Germans), just help make us look more slow and subordinate. Anyway here's what they thought of certain apna, as recorded in a manual used by anglos to recruit into their colonial army (there's more comments about being 'docile' elsewhere in the manual). The quote is a hundred and 20 odd years old, but I still think that characterisation is the one many english people have in their heads. I think they perceive certain people as slow and lulloo. That's why they do so much to us, without a second thought, they think we are too slow, docile and dumb to even clock it, let alone react. And it goes on to this day, with the way they have essentially covered up decades of grooming of Sikh girls, whilst acknowledging this happens to white girls. Certain apnay need to wake the f**k up, and stop promoting narratives that perpetuate the docile, loyal Sikh sepoy characterisation. Change is due and coming. And it might not be smooth. 

I appreciate the gist of your argument, which is more than valid, but I think the younger generations (of Sikhs -- religious AND secular-minded) in the West have definitely moved on from the mindset you're describing above. The uncles in their 60s and upwards perhaps cling to such mindsets, but they're fast becoming irrelevant and voiceless in the secular sphere at least.

I don't think many of our up-and-coming lot are concerned with fighting for, nor even advocating, British (i.e. colonialist and whatever the international first-world equivalent is) interests and causes, especially in recent times when the Leftist doctrine that is fast becoming the default mode of thought has spent much of the past 60 years in the West teaching the public to view colonisation and related activities as something to be ashamed of rather than something to be treasured.

Interestingly, the powers-that-be -- the same powers that directed and undertook colonial activities -- have changed tack and decided that the nationalism and identity-pride that fed their international shenanigans all those centuries ago, must now be directed to the overwhelming public veneration of the globalist doctrine; the doctrine supported by 99.9% of the world's corporations and conglomerates. Apparently these huge corporations claim they are fighting against the system! I'd like to know what this "mysterious" system is that the most powerful economic, social, and political entities of the world profess they don't belong to, lol?

Us Western-raised Sikhs being the dim-witted clowns that we are -- in spite our so-called education and enlightened minds -- have simply exchanged one mental prison for another, although this time the new jailors couch their ideology in a language of togetherness, unity, and so-called progress. We've exchanged the waving of British and American flags to waving the flags of Wall Street institutions and their political sponsors. The underlying issue hasn't changed.

The loyal, docile Sikh sepoy who fought for and defended Queen and Country in the past has made way for his modern counterpart who now fights in defense of his master's ideology and cause on Twitter and other forms of social media. Different era, same problem. There is no system or method of thought on the collective spectrum that advocates our interests and priorities in as much as anything that supports our existence. Everything is at our expense. Until THIS sinks in, we're going to keep going around in circles.

[Kau89r8]

@puzzled 

Was this around when Maharajah Ranjit Singh was in power? Sure there was disagreements but not where we'd have our own killing our own. Have you seen a Hindu KPS Gill in recent history killing their own...or likes of badals or capitan..even the sgpc ...every damn 'Sikh' leader has sold out and what do they fear most.. Sikh unity! 

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Just now, Kau89r8 said:

@puzzled 

Was this around when Maharajah Ranjit Singh was in power? Sure there was disagreements but not where we'd have our own killing our own. Have you seen a Hindu KPS Gill in recent history killing their own...or likes of badals or capitan..even the sgpc ...every damn 'Sikh' leader has sold out and what do they fear most.. Sikh unity! 

It was actually Maharaja Ranjit Singhs own family, the sandhwalias, that assassinated Maharaja Sher Singh, the son of Ranjit Singh. In todays time we would call that "shareek bazi"  Sher Singh was a decent ruler and after much turmoil was slowly restoring peace, just needed more time. But his "own" killed him, and contributed towards the downfall.

The more you look into our ithiaas more traitors you will find. 

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

Have you seen a Hindu KPS Gill in recent history killing their own...or likes of badals or capitan..even the sgpc ...

Interesting point. It's something I've thought about quite a lot, too. I wouldn't want to guess what the answer is, because it might inadvertently reveal a problem to which there is no workable solution.

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45 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Interesting point. It's something I've thought about quite a lot, too. I wouldn't want to guess what the answer is, because it might inadvertently reveal a problem to which there is no workable solution.

It's the same with Hindus too.

For example, After partition millions of Hindus were left behind in East Pakistan/Bangladesh. As expected, Muslims started slaughtering Hindus and demolishing Mandirs, over the next couple of years millions of Hindus from Bangladesh started migrating into West bengal, India. The state started getting crowded, and Nehru decided to get into a pact with the government of East Pakistan/Bangladesh, so no more Hindu refugees were allowed to migrate into India. Nehrus government even started sending Hindus back to Bangladesh. 

This is like a Sikh leader signing a contract with the Afghan government and stopping Afghan Sikhs coming into India/punjab for safety. 

During the the Bengali liberation movement in the 1970s millions of Bangladeshi Hindu women were raped by the Pakistani army. There even videos of the survivors on YouTube.

Even many Kashmiri Pandits blame Nehru for their situation.

Check this guys answer out, hes a Tamil and writes about how his own Tamil leaders were traitors during the Tamil struggle. Indian Tamils/Hindus, decided to help Srilankan Tamils/Hindus during the Tamil genocide by the Srinlankan Sinalese/Buddhist army. 

https://qr.ae/pNVojk 

I know a few Srilankan Tamils, it was barbaric what their people went through under the Srilankan army, but they say it was their own leaders that were traitors.