Which spiritual literature is better? Persian or vedic

[shastarSingh]

Though vedic literature possesses difficult and complex thoughts, Persian spiritual  literature is better as it has more fear, love and faith on God.

What does the sangat think?

It is sad that Damdami Taksal has become hinduized with the influence of nirmalas. Students there read lots of vedic literature but very less Persian literature.

[intrigued]

I think each is to their own and that both are good to study. I don't really think that Damdami taksal is hinduized as much as we think though.

[shastarSingh]

46 minutes ago, intrigued said:

that both are good to study

All taksali students shud be fluent in Farsi so that they can better understand Zafarnama, Hikayats and bhai Nand Lal ji s bani.

They shud be able to read spiritual Persian literature and increase their gyaan.

Is that the case? No

Baba Deep Singh ji was master of Farsi and Arabic.

Baba Deep Singh ji, first jathedar of damdami taksal wrote a sarup of Guru Granth Sahib ji in Arabic script. Dasmesh Pita instructed Baba Deep Singh ji to teach Bhai Nand Lal ji s zindagi nama to fellow Sikhs.

Taksal's teaching curriculum has been hinduized by nirmalas.

 

[Suchi]

45 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

All taksali students shud be fluent in Farsi so that they can better understand Zafarnama, Hikayats and bhai Nand Lal ji s bani.

They shud be able to read spiritual Persian literature and increase their gyaan.

Is that the case? No

 

It doesn't stop anyone from learning Farsi if they want to understand their scriptures properly.

[Jai Tegang!]

They all need to be studied but the focus should remain on Sanatan literature because that’s what Sikhi has greatest affinity to. Karma theory, Trimurti, Maya, Nirgun Sargun, Yug theory, Bhagti, plus the numerous references to Ram, Krishna, Prahlad, Dhru, other Bhagats, Janak, etc. You can’t deny it and shift the focus towards traditions who don’t even know about us, lol. Ever hear about persians studying Gurmukhi?

Persian was the court language from Mughals onwards and it explains its continued use into Ranjit Singhs time. Same as how English is for us now. It does not mean we shift our historical religious study towards anglo-saxon christian literature.

Study everything, but don’t start relying on the traditions of others to find meaning in our own. Taksal and other sampardas have done well in the past with their relative resources. We just need to invest in them more to expand their curriculum to the level we see in Abrahamic faiths. It requires vastly more funding to establish research and learning with support for scholars. Currently we don’t want anything beyond the low-wage gyani or Granthi Singh.

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

30 minutes ago, Jai Tegang! said:

They all need to be studied but the focus should remain on Sanatan literature because that’s what Sikhi has greatest affinity to. Karma theory, Trimurti, Maya, Nirgun Sargun, Yug theory, Bhagti, plus the numerous references to Ram, Krishna, Prahlad, Dhru, other Bhagats, Janak, etc. You can’t deny it and shift the focus towards traditions who don’t even know about us, lol. Ever hear about persians studying Gurmukhi?

Persian was the court language from Mughals onwards and it explains its continued use into Ranjit Singhs time. Same as how English is for us now. It does not mean we shift our historical religious study towards anglo-saxon christian literature.

Study everything, but don’t start relying on the traditions of others to find meaning in our own. Taksal and other sampardas have done well in the past with their relative resources. We just need to invest in them more to expand their curriculum to the level we see in Abrahamic faiths. It requires vastly more funding to establish research and learning with support for scholars. Currently we don’t want anything beyond the low-wage gyani or Granthi Singh.

agreed, sikhi is much further away from Islam than from Vedic civilization/sanatan dharam or whatever they call it nowadays 

plus, they also possess the concept of a paarbrahm that all must connect to and the purpose of our lives is to eventually merge, (although they have become much more worldly and temporal, going as far as to name kaam as one of four padaratha of life along with moksha, and also restrict the ability to merge to only brahmins) 

hindus are far more capable of understanding sikhi than thosse from abrahamic mats

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

9 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

All taksali students shud be fluent in Farsi so that they can better understand Zafarnama, Hikayats and bhai Nand Lal ji s bani.

They shud be able to read spiritual Persian literature and increase their gyaan.

Is that the case? No

Baba Deep Singh ji was master of Farsi and Arabic.

Baba Deep Singh ji, first jathedar of damdami taksal wrote a sarup of Guru Granth Sahib ji in Arabic script. Dasmesh Pita instructed Baba Deep Singh ji to teach Bhai Nand Lal ji s zindagi nama to fellow Sikhs.

Taksal's teaching curriculum has been hinduized by nirmalas.

 

you are also correct

one who studies SGGS or SDGS would already be pretty educated in vedic mat as Guru sahiban have discussed them extensively in shabad da bhandaar

I kind of don't get your comments on the Taksal if you can elaborate more, when do you think the Taksal was hijacked by Nirmalas, I would say influenced a bit but I don't think too far, plus aren't some commonly referenced  scholars Nirmala influenced Kavi Santokh Singh and many more teachers of those involved in singh sabha movement and sant samaj etc. 

plus what we say about Nirmalas, they repeat the same about our understanding of sikhi being "talibanized", where does this stop?

[intrigued]

30 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

plus what we say about Nirmalas, they repeat the same about our understanding of sikhi being "talibanized", where does this stop?

Yea it goes both ways, to them we have the false Sikhi

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

4 hours ago, intrigued said:

Yea it goes both ways, to them we have the false Sikhi

alienating or villainizing these unorthodox sects doesn't seem like the answer

more vichaardhara between schools of thought is needed (usefull discourse, not just bickering over authenticity of every historical document for years before moving on to next divisive topic)

[shastarSingh]

9 hours ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

kind of don't get your comments on the Taksal if you can elaborate more

One of taksal jathedar, I think someone before Sant Sunder Singh Bhindranwale was a nirmala and changed the curriculum.