Namaaz not allowed in Gurdwara

[Jacfsing2]

19 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Ravi Singh's not getting a Nobel Peace prize. If he truly believes he can fundraise his way to one, he's deluded. Sikhs don't carry any leverage or impact the world in the social and political arenas that such "prestigious" awards require. To be let into the "club", you basically need to perpetuate the narrative of the status quo that's permeated the culture and history of Western nations for the past 80-100 years.

Admittedly, he's latched onto the "Muslim victim" narrative thinking that will get him in, but he's misunderstood his own role in the situation. Him being a Sikh bending over backwards for Musleh doesn't mean squat, because in the wider Western world it's not commonplace knowledge that Muslims and Sikhs have a volatile history. Sure, there's pockets of civilians who know the tension exists (limited arguably to the British isles due to obvious colonial history), but in terms of this conflict's place in the greater context of Earth's history, it's just a medieval regional squabble that's been dragged out over the centuries because, as others might see it, prejudices being passed down the generations. Heck, the masses of the North American continent think Musleh and Sikhs are the same. Mainland Europe doesn't give a 5hit. So what's the "hook" that's going to be used in order to "sell" the emotive rhetoric that is required as background context for these cynical narratives?

If Ravi Singh was Jewish or Christian (or even a Yazidi), then maybe the Establishment would take him to their bosom, because of the cultural and religious heft such a gesture entails. But as it is, he's selling out his religion and its long-term stability in regards to image and perception for very little to no actual gain.

I don’t think Bhagat Puran Singh ever got a Nobel prize, despite doing better sewa than Mother Theresa without any expectation of people converting. He actually gave his highest award back to the Indian government in 1984. 

[MisterrSingh]

5 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

I don’t think Bhagat Puran Singh ever got a Nobel prize, despite doing better sewa than Mother Theresa without any expectation of people converting. He actually gave his highest award back to the Indian government in 1984. 

Unfashionable causes Vs Fashionable causes. Bossing cultural narratives. We just don't possess that "pull" or more accurately there's nothing we have that can be used or manipulated to benefit the powers-that-be. Like I've said previously, we're an antiquated little group who punched above its weight, now desperately trying to remain relevant by clinging to delusions of grandeur that don't have any place in current reality.

[Kau89r8]

KA is a brand and multi-millionaire charity..got to keep the funding running for your charity 

Maybe they get donations from muslims? 

I dont know, so hard to trust charties, easy to fall for 'Sikh' face and who knows what they are doing..

Yourseva has been doing good work in Panjab and they have 100% donation policy. 

[dallysingh101]

22 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

We really do live in clown world when a right-wing Hindu group steps up to prevent something that WE shouldn't even have brought about in the first place! Absolute sharam.

So true. Not uncommon though is it. There is a need to please outsiders deeply rooted  in many. 

 

 

18 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

There has never been any repercussions against traitors. 

This is the main issue I reckon. Plus the traitors have always been rewarded and prospered.

We need to bring in the lexicon of 'gadaar' and chaaploose' into everyday apna language. 

It's hard to isolate these people because they are patronised and propped up, but I feel publically shaming them would be the most powerful way to shake them up. They're obsessed with their image - attack that.   

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Unfashionable causes Vs Fashionable causes. Bossing cultural narratives. We just don't possess that "pull" or more accurately there's nothing we have that can be used or manipulated to benefit the powers-that-be. Like I've said previously, we're an antiquated little group who punched above its weight, now desperately trying to remain relevant by clinging to delusions of grandeur that don't have any place in current reality.

I don't agree. 

 

I think in the UK, anti-imperialist Sikhs have played a very important role culturally, and will continue to do so. I think those 'yes men' (and women) who've kept up that grinning pro-sepoy narrative are the delusional ones. I think Sikh culture can and will play a very important cultural part in the UK in future. I think it already has in terms of outing the widespread grooming problem in english society. More is to come when we start sharing our true ithihaas with all the inspiring figures within - as opposed to the docile rural sepoy types. I mean look at how much interest just one film on Udham Singh has generated. Our Sikh culture has a lot to offer and people can learn a lot from it. We just need to dislodge and marginalise the puppets. 

[MisterrSingh]

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I don't agree. 

 

I think in the UK, anti-imperialist Sikhs have played a very important role culturally, and will continue to do so. I think those 'yes men' (and women) who've kept up that grinning pro-sepoy narrative are the delusional ones. I think Sikh culture can and will play a very important cultural part in the UK in future. I think it already has in terms of outing the widespread grooming problem in english society. More is to come when we start sharing our true ithihaas with all the inspiring figures within - as opposed to the docile rural sepoy types. I mean look at how much interest just one film on Udham Singh has generated. Our Sikh culture has a lot to offer and people can learn a lot from it. We just need to dislodge and marginalise the puppets. 

Who have the anti-grooming movements highlighted as being the primary movers and shakers in that field? Musleh, lol, the UK's pet minority. Nobody's going to shabash for Sikhs for putting Islamic communal practices under the microscope regardless of the objective truth involved. If anything, white liberals are itching to tar us with the islamophobe label for even going this far. We're (as in non-Leftist Sikhs) seen as an annoying thorn in the side of these laughable attempts at creating a uniform "BAME" identity because we'll end up getting nothing from that relationship aside from being forced to endure the sight of our females having Anand Karaj's with goreh, kaleh, and the rest of them.

The thing is if we are to have any worthwhile cultural impact, it needs to be "mainstreamed." For that you need people on the "inside" who aren't liberals. But they only hire individuals who possess that particular mindset and ideology, so we can't get our message out at all. In fact we're deliberately misrepresented and slandered to shame us into compliance.

This idealistic meritocracy is not how things are undertaken in the system of now. You're in if you sing from their hymn sheet. You're out if you don't. 

[Ranjeet01]

33 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Who have the anti-grooming movements highlighted as being the primary movers and shakers in that field? Musleh, lol, the UK's pet minority. Nobody's going to shabash for Sikhs for putting Islamic communal practices under the microscope regardless of the objective truth involved. If anything, white liberals are itching to tar us with the islamophobe label for even going this far. We're (as in non-Leftist Sikhs) seen as an annoying thorn in the side of these laughable attempts at creating a uniform "BAME" identity because we'll end up getting nothing from that relationship aside from being forced to endure the sight of our females having Anand Karaj's with goreh, kaleh, and the rest of them.

The thing is if we are to have any worthwhile cultural impact, it needs to be "mainstreamed." For that you need people on the "inside" who aren't liberals. But they only hire individuals who possess that particular mindset and ideology, so we can't get our message out at all. In fact we're deliberately misrepresented and slandered to shame us into compliance.

This idealistic meritocracy is not how things are undertaken in the system of now. You're in if you sing from their hymn sheet. You're out if you don't. 

I think the inevitability of this "liberal " ideology is that it will eat itself.

You notice that they call each other allies. 

Eventually the white liberals and the muslims will turn on each other.

The turncoats and traitors in our midst will be thrown under the bus. There is no loyalty amongst any of these allies.

What the liberals don't get is that minorities are largely conservative and the globo -homo agenda that is being forced is going to create a massive backlash.

That is what is going to happen on the macro-level of which we have no control.

We have to focus on what we do have control over. Since intra-Sikh matters are not a big matter in the mainstream, we identify and call out the traitors and shame them.

 

[MisterrSingh]

28 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

We have to focus on what we do have control over. Since intra-Sikh matters are not a big matter in the mainstream, we identify and call out the traitors and shame them.

Yes, this is it. We're in no position to punch up, so we punch at our level, i.e. Apne who are begging to be sat at the top table. But act now while these sellouts don't have any impactful power. Once they're admitted into the inner sanctum, lol, they'll be afforded all the privileges and benefits that will stop people of our frame of mind from bringing them down a peg or two. 

[Ranjeet01]

59 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Yes, this is it. We're in no position to punch up, so we punch at our level, i.e. Apne who are begging to be sat at the top table. But act now while these sellouts don't have any impactful power. Once they're admitted into the inner sanctum, lol, they'll be afforded all the privileges and benefits that will stop people of our frame of mind from bringing them down a peg or two. 

We are the canaries in the coal mine again in this instance. But we have an opportunity here.

We may not have control of the macro-situation but we may have the power to influence things.

We Sikhs should do what we do best and carve our own path in tackling this menace. We pioneer, let's find a way.

"Where there's a Singh, there's a way!"

 

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Nobody's going to shabash for Sikhs for putting Islamic communal practices under the microscope regardless of the objective truth involved.

That's the problem. People want shabaash. For many of those involved on our side, seeing the cultural shift and actually feeling agency - or the power to change the course of events - is more important than this. It's feedback that efforts can become fruitful, even when everyone is against you.  It shows you that even most difficult things are achievable. 

 

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

The thing is if we are to have any worthwhile cultural impact, it needs to be "mainstreamed." For that you need people on the "inside" who aren't liberals.

 I totally disagree with this.

If you take the example of the growth of sullahism in england, you're not old enough to remember when it was a joke (probably weren't even born then), but I do. It's the quality of people we produce that matters. The effect at ground level outward with even just a tiny handful of people with conviction can be profound and enduring. Right now, our 'culture' (which I believe is not remotely Sikh but rather rural Panjabi) has no relevance to the vast majority. I think the Sikhs that will make the difference will be ground level individuals not the Joe Singh Blogs of Slough/Southall who are just following some weird hybrid pendu Panjabi-anglo culture.  

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But they only hire individuals who possess that particular mindset and ideology, so we can't get our message out at all. In fact we're deliberately misrepresented and slandered to shame us into compliance.

I don't think mainstream media has the impact it used to. Yeah, they'll try and demoralise us - for example I watched that Spiderman film set in europe lately and I note that whilst the pretty hijaban is shown  everywhere, I only saw a turbaned, weird looking midget, in a long kurta in the airport scene. And if you truly believe our future depends on our ability to find space in mainstream western media, than you need to check your thinking. That's really disempowering ourselves, and turning these panchods into gods of sorts!   People made a local impact in the 70s and 80s when there were the most insulting comical representations of brown people in everyday mainstream media - so it should be easier now.  But if we continue to produce fudhoo nonsense about Flying Juts and Jut and Juliet etc. etc. etc., then we're only producing shallow rubbish for our own to consume (and make themselves even more of a joke) as well as producing stuff that has no value to any interested outsider either. That stuff just largely confirms the dumbo stereotype, and comical turbaned figure caricature.