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Just before the 'kharag Singh judh' section of krishan avtar in Dasam Granth Sahib, krishan has a war with a warrior called krata singh

Did krishan use deceit in killing this warrior?

https://www.sikhitothemax.org/ang?source=D&ang=434

mwrhu nwih kihXo su shI muir kY Air pwCy kI Eir inhwirE ]
maarahu naeh kahiyo su sahee mur kai ar paachhe kee or nihaario ||
The war continued throughout the day, then Krishna devised a method. He said, “I am not killing you,” and saying this, when the enemy looked behind,
 
 
 
 
AYsy hI qICn lY Ais sRI hir sqR kI gRIv ky aUpr JwirE ]
aaise hee teechhan lai as sree har satr kee greev ke uoopar jhaario ||
 
 
 
 
 
AYsI ey Bwiq hinE irpu kau Apny dl ko sB qRws invwirXo ]1368]
aaisee e bhaat hanio rip kau apane dhal ko sabh traas nivaariyo ||1368||
He very quickly at that very instant, struck a blow on the neck of the enemy with his sharp sword and in this way, killing the enemy, removed the fear of his army.1368.
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On 1/19/2022 at 7:27 PM, shastarSingh said:

Let me reflect on this. We really need to get the panth's Braj Bhasha knowledge up for such things.

Though, I'll say outright right now, I'm not sure if the Chaubis Avtaar narratives of Dasam Granth are purely didactic, with the avtaars playing some moral/ethical role models. If I recall rightly, Lord Rama had Ravan's sister's nose chopped off, just because she fancied him!! lol

If that's the case, it would justify any attacks by Ravan in my eyes. Turning the whole narrative around. 

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23 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Let me reflect on this. We really need to get the panth's Braj Bhasha knowledge up for such things.

Though, I'll say outright right now, I not sure if the Chaubis Avtaar narratives of Dasam Granth are purely didactic, with the avtaars playing some moral/ethical role models. If I recall rightly, Lord Rama had Ravan's sister's nose chopped off, just because she fancied him!! lol

If that's the case, it would justify any attacks by Ravan in my eyes. Turning the whole narrative around. 

It was ram's brother laxman who chopped the nose of Ravan's sister.

 

Anyways back to the topic, krishan says to krata Singh that he won't kill him. When krata Singh looks behind, krishan kills him.

Am I right?

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1 minute ago, shastarSingh said:

It was ram's brother laxman who chopped the nose of Ravan's sister.

 

Anyways back to the topic, krishan says to krata Singh that he won't kill him. When krata Singh looks behind, krishan kills him.

Am I write ?

I'll try and look into the wording but I'm no Braj expert. You'll probably have a better understanding? Some of these translations are a bit dubious

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25 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I'll try and look into the wording but I'm no Braj expert. You'll probably have a better understanding? Some of these translations are a bit dubious

We hv Punjabi translation as well.

I think krishan used deceit and lied to kritasatr(not krata) Singh.

https://www.searchgurbani.com

Page 792 of Dasam Granth Sahib

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41 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

@shastarSingh

Are you sure the person killed is Krata SIngh and not ਕਠਿਨ ਸਿੰਘ? 

The previous dorha introduces ਕਠਿਨ ਸਿੰਘ. 

No veer ji

it's kritasatr Singh.

We also hv Punjabi translation from nihang teja Singh's teeka taken from www.sikhawareness.com

 

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12 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:

Krishna's method is meant to be seen as a yudh-pentra, battle tactic. Krishna is praised in the very next pangti for his victory. Kritastar Singh was splitting heads left right center. He needed a take-down in the classic Cchhalia style.

Powerful adversaries require tactics to take out.

So krishan used chall? 

He spoke something from his mouth which was not true?

In Mahabharata, krishan also asked yudhistar to lie.

Would that be also called battle tactic?

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35 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

So krishan used chall? 

He spoke something from his mouth which was not true?

In Mahabharata, krishan also asked yudhistar to lie.

Would that be also called battle tactic?

It is not i but the Father that worketh through me. Lol. 

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https://www.livemint.com/Sundayapp/lvfgnLAQlYonkkKObhBmVN/The-moral-imperatives-to-a-lie.html

Krishna, the eighth avatar of Vishnu, the supreme god, tells Yudhisthira this is a war that must be won. And that if a lie ought to be told to win it, then the lie must be told. In this instance, Krishna knows Drona’s only weakness is his son Ashwathama. So, he asks Yudhisthira to spread the word that Ashwathama is dead. But Yudhisthira has a problem with that. His morality and reputation do not permit him to lie. He despises it as dishonest.

But even as Yudhisthira is thinking through Krishna’s proposition and its implications, Bhima, one of the Pandava brothers, kills an elephant named Ashwathama and screams: “Ashwathama is dead". Word reaches Drona. The man thinks it is his son Bhima is talking of. Stunned, he refuses to believe the news until he hears it from Yudhisthira and summons him.

Krishna’s words still ringing in his ears, Yudhisthira goes over to his uncle’s camp.

“Is it true," Drona asks him, “that Ashwathama is dead?"

“Yes," Yudhisthira says. And then trails off inaudibly, “Ashwathama the elephant."

Technically, Yudhisthira did not lie. But Drona doesn’t catch the words, lays down his weapons and bows his head in grief. In that very instant, on Krishna’s instructions, Dhrishtadyumna, Yudhisthira’s brother-in-law, chops his head off.

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