Akj Amrit Sanchaar?

[Jaspaul Singh]

If you want to receive the gift of naam driR, then why would there be any problem in going before the punj pyaaray and asking for it?  They are afterall, Guru's own roop.

But to be clear, unfortunately, not all amrit sinchaars are "equal".  Gobind Sadan has amrit sinchaars as do the namdharis and so do many other groups.  Bibis receive kirpan amrit amongst the Nihangs and at Hazoor Sahib.  So-called "low castes" have to drink amrit in a separate bata in some amrit sinchaars.

At other places, gurmantar is not taught or given or is replaced with some sant's own mantar.  Other times, amrit is given in glasses.

Do you get the picture?  Where we go to receive amrit is up to our karma.  Amrit is amrit, but not every amrit sinchaar is conducted properly.  I encourage everyone to read Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh's "Amrit Ki Hai".

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I hope your not relating amrit sanchaars to some anti-sikhi groups (such as the gobind sadam, or the namdharis) ...like a veer said earlier, any amrit sanchaar that is by any group that is sikhi, and approved by akal takht is ok!

We shouldnt think that akj is the only place we can take amrit since they give naam dhrirh ....

i have talked to many singhs myself, but before the akj started... it doesnt mention anywhere how people use to get their naam drirh, and im positive panj did not use to give it in the past..... but what do i know .....im a moorakh.....

... if anyone has any sources to prove me wrong or the others wrong, please enlighten us...

bhul chuk maph!

[Guest JSS]

i feel it necessary to point out that Naam drirh isn't an AKJ concept....actually MOSt amrit sanchars will do naam drirta...even if they don't call it naam drirh...i know sadh sangat samagams in amrit sanchar they will do naam drirh...but it's totally different then what the akj does....basically the panj piyaray recite gurmantar (waheguru) and the abhilakhis repeat waheguru...they do this for a while.......i have heard this part of the amrit sanchar called naam drirh...having talked to taksali singhs and other singhs who've taken amrit at gurdwaras or other places (not akj) ..they too say that this is how they received gurmantar from panj piyaraay...

i'd like to thank singh123 for the references...but unfortunately they dont explain the naam drirh ceremony as described by the akj....where the panj piyaraas whisper the naam into the initiates ear...as described by the first poster....are there any references for this?...

thanks in advance

[Guest noonespecial]

I think the question here is not so much about Amrit Sanchaars, but about Gurumantar.

I agree with you that some "Sant's own mantar" is wrong and is NOT Gurmanatar. However, if Jatha A says that WAHEGURU is Gurmantar and Jatha B says that WAHEGURU is Gurmantar and the only difference is that Jatha B gives someone a method/technique of japping this Gurmanatar then how can Jatha B claim that Naam Dhrir is not given properly? Or that someone from Jatha A should get PESH and get Naam Dhrir? Isn't that just simply a feeling of superiority?

For example, let's say a Jatha sings keertan in complete Raag. Is it right for them to say to someone that their style of Kirtan is not proper because it doesn't follow a certain musical set of rules. Or do you think that love and devotion play at least a minor role in it?

[Singh47]

JSS

i know sadh sangat samagams in amrit sanchar they will do naam drirh..

Although, this may be off topic, but is it true that the Dodra Jatha aka "Sadh Sangat" allow Monay men/women and make-up wearing women to do kirtan seva on stage?

[Guest Sony]

JSS

i know sadh sangat samagams in amrit sanchar they will do naam drirh..

Although, this may be off topic, but is it true that the Dodra Jatha aka "Sadh Sangat" allow Monay men/women and make-up wearing women to do kirtan seva on stage?

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I dont understand why u quoted jss saying that when u ask that question... what does having to do kirtan have to do with this.

second yes they do and i dont think they are doing nething wrong. there are people who are coming towards sikhi, are on the path and they get the oppurtunity to come closer. I can say this because i started going to dodra sangat, and its because they accepted me and gave me the chance to grow i am here. they didnt scare me away, they helped me on the way.

pul chuk maaf

Fateh

[Guest JSS]

dear singh47,

this thread is about naam drirh...lets stay on topic...if you have questions regarding sadh sangat...you can start a new thread...and we'll answer all your questions...for now...i think sony bhen did a great job of answering your question...

[S1ngh]

But to be clear, unfortunately, not all amrit sinchaars are "equal".  Gobind Sadan has amrit sinchaars as do the namdharis and so do many other groups.  Bibis receive kirpan amrit amongst the Nihangs and at Hazoor Sahib.  So-called "low castes" have to drink amrit in a separate bata in some amrit sinchaars.

At other places, gurmantar is not taught or given or is replaced with some sant's own mantar.  Other times, amrit is given in glasses.

Do you get the picture?  Where we go to receive amrit is up to our karma.  Amrit is amrit, but not every amrit sinchaar is conducted properly.  I encourage everyone to read Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh's "Amrit Ki Hai".

Veerjee... All Amrit Sinchaars are equal if they are accepted by the authority of the akal takht. *Period*

Although, this may be off topic, but is it true that the Dodra Jatha aka "Sadh Sangat" allow Monay men/women and make-up wearing women to do kirtan seva on stage?

I would love to discuss this topic but i won't becauz as you stated it's off topic :umm:

[japmans]

feel free to msg any one of us who would know what you wish to discuss vicky singh ji :umm:

[Khalsa Fauji]

Gurfateh!!

Check daas out, am so ego-centric am quoting myself lol

Has anyone got any views on what i posted below??? Thanx for all the info on naam dhrirr through :TH:

Gurfateh!!

I've been to so many Akhand Kirtani Jatha Rehnsabhai's and Kirtan Darbars across the UK. I go to enjoy Baani, and i love the whole Sikhitothemax translation projections, i remember before that how Amrit Kirtans werent treated with the right amount of respect at many programs. I also believe its important that we understand what we read so thanks for the sewa coventry lot  :TH:

Anyway what i've noticed when the jatha gets into the simran "vibe" is that it seriously can become a frenzy with members of the sangat shaking their bodies and i've seen all sorts. I made a recording of Bhai Jasbir Singh Ji at smethwick once in 2000 and it was amazing i think Bhai Jasbir Singh Ji is superb, but when the simran gets going, it gets to a point where the word Waheguru becomes distorted, and alot of the times the word is pronounced without the bihaari in effect making it Wahguru.

I've heard that a number of Mahapurukhs, have all said that Waheguru should be pronouced in the way its written and also not as though you are shouting it.

Also in this forum i've noticed when the issue of dancing arises people use Tukhs from bani saying how moving the body is wrong and you will not achieve anything from it.

"nachan kudhan man kaa chaao ||

They dance and jump around on the urgings of their minds."

But again i hope im not misinterpretating Bani. (apologies if i am)

I've also noticed that the majority of kirtania don't actually do the whole Saas Girhaas, naan dhrirr, is there any reason for this?

The interpreatation of Saas Girhaas i know is that simran should be done with every breath all day long, as i have known Bhai Amolak Singh Ji to do.

Anyway i mean not to offend anyone and apologies if i have.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Gurfateh!!

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[Singh132]

Firstly regarding how naam is given in an amrit sinchaar, I'd like to say that there are really no detailed puratan rehitnamas that detail how to conduct an amrit sinchar or what happens inside. They don't even explicity mention the giving of gurmantar.

As for "whispering", I'm not sure that would be an accurate description.

S1ngh veer ji wrote:

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Veerjee... All Amrit Sinchaars are equal if they are accepted by the authority of the akal takht. *Period*

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I'd say it's more of a comma than a period. If one amrit sinchar says it's ok to eat meat and to read three nitnem banis, while another says eating meat is a bujjer kurehit and nitnem in the morning is of 5 banis, then of course something is inequal. One is allowing what another sees as a bujjer kurehit. So things, unfortunately, aren't quite as simple as that.