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http://www.panthic.org/articles/5355 Read the article. So he admits he is guilty but doesn't want to be guilty alone? I guess if other Sikh parcharaks are just as guilty as him then everyone will play it off, right?

I don't think anyone mentioned anything about the future. Preachers probably use "should" to emphasize the Hukam of Gurbani. Vaheguru is mentioned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji some 17 times. Ram is mentioned over 2000 times, and it refers to the One Lord abiding in every pore of creation, again referring to Vaheguru. Do you want to claim that only Shabads mentioning Vaheguru are referring to Vaheguru and others are not? It does mention a young girl with a pitcher and a cow, both females. Sikhi is not a religion per say, and to call it a religion based on today's definitions is demeaning. Sikhi is a journey of the soul towards Akaal Purakh, and this journey is both progressive and developmental in nature. Religion is just a way of life, Sikhi is a way of life and death. Our Sants taught us how to live, and Sipahis (Shaheeds) taught us how to die. Gurbani explains what is the true religion, i.e. religion in its pure state/definition, not what the definition has become today.I know you are going to come forward with another 17 questions that have nothing to do with the title of this thread. Better not waste your, mine or anyone else's time.

Where did I say anything about my experiences to begin with? Both the Shabads I posted are from Gurbani and clearly indicate on how to remember Vaheguru and focus on him at all times. If there is anything to be added please feel free to do so.

could somebody who was at the protest please write an unbiased account of events that occurred for us sangat including myself whom couldnt attend. fateh

Having watched the footage on Sikh Channel all I have to say is shame on you Dudley Committee for causing this to happen. I don't understand how you can sit inside eating meat and drinking alcohol while Guru Gobind Singh Ji's children are doing simran on the floor outside. I don't understand how can you have no problem with causing the children of Dashmesh Pita to be beaten by the police. I don't understand how you can spit in the face of your Guru. How do you sleep at night?

Or even Orwell's 1984. :eyeroll:

Wonderful video! Seen the first 10 minutes and downloaded it and will watch the rest later on. I wonder if it would be a good idea to add English subtitles? Sikh Rehat Maryada needs to be explained to that generation of the future who aren't as fluent or conversant in Panjabi as previous generations. Preaching to the converted is all good and well, but these points needs to be understood by those who will be the flag bearers of the faith. The young who possibly aren't in saroop because they don't understand the points made in the above video, are the one's that need to undertand the importance of Rehat Maryada. Anyway like I said previously, this is a very good video.

One funny video :D For those taking this video seriously , I think it's definitely a joke lol so lighten up

"GoliMaro" jee, There is more than what meets the eye in both of those videos. I would not be too hasty and blame things on video manipulation. I assume more videos will be coming out from both sides of this controversy and so will the skeletons in their closets. This was not a 10 minute event, as Panthic.org states, the videos clips were recorded during different times at the nimala home and everyone was present there. I see the guru of the sadhvi you called a 'nutcase woman' clearly sitting next to the Sikh babas. This swami guru guy seems to be with her everywhere, he is in many of those RSS rallies where she is threatening and spewing hate against minorities who mess with India. If he is a man of god he would not allow her to spew all that poison against others. It is clear all these holy people are used by government agencies. They criticize things only upon government agencies request, the rest of the time they stay silent - whether it be mass rapes of women, children, or burning of innocent babies. These Sikh babas have no reason to be in the company of these dangerous elements. If they did then like Baba Nanak they should have called a spade a spade and told the Sawami and the sadhvi to stop spewing hate against minorities. If they are not willing to stand up for humanity and "sabat da bhalla" everyone keeps parroting the they have no business being Sikh parcharics. You can keep defending them all you want, but the truth will come out. Some RSS/VHP information on the Swami, clearly indicating that he is intimately involved with right-wing Hindu miltants and they consider him their guru: http://vhp.org/vhp-a...arma-sansad-10/ The Session was inaugurated by lighting a lamp at the benign hands of Yug-Purush Swami Paramanand Maharaj. Speaking on the occasion, Vishwa Hindu Parishad General Secretary Parveen Togadia rejected the idea of a mosque at the site and said a temple will be built there with the blessings of saints. http://www.indiandef...299/index5.html "With the blessings of saints, Ram Temple will be constructed in Ayodhya and mosque is not acceptable," he said. He also demanded a total ban on cow slaughter. VHP International President Ashok Singhal, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi [ Images ], MP Navjot Singh Sidhu, were among others who complimented Swami Paramanand on the occasion. Modi said, "Guru-shishya parampara established by Swami Ram Krishna Paramhans and Swami Vivekananda is being kept up by Yug Purus Swami Paramananad Maharaj and Sadhwi Ritambhara." Swami Paramanand is playing a vital role in inspiring the youth towards spirituality, he said. "The land of Ram Janam Bhumi cannot be divided and the Mandir movement will reach its conclusion only with the construction of a Ram temple in Ayodhya," the RSS chief said at a function in Vrindavan to mark the 75th birth anniversary of Yug Purush Swami Paramanand Maharaj.

60 jaaps please,waheguru waheguru waheguru:) modnote: Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Dhanvaad Guru Pyaare Jeo, Jaap Kamayee added!

The people behind the 'thing' should also learn their mother tongue. Correct this if wrong, but don't it say khalistan zidabad, there is a tippee missing from the original panjabi writing which would make it khalistan zindabad :wacko2:

, I believe it's my fault, I should have addressed it properly: Can someone please share the background or further detail on this 'organisation'? "If a Singh abuses another Singh, A Sikh abuses another Sikh, do not respond by abusing him back. Say to him: "O Gurmukh, go ahead; abuse me again a couple of times if that's what satisfies you. If abusing or using foul language satisfies you, use it some more". If a Sikh slaps another Sikh, turn the other cheek. Say to him: "Hit me again if you wish". But do not to this to the Narkhdaris or to the police. No, only a Sikh to a Sikh. Say to him: "Hit me more." He will not have the courage to do that. If someone utters a word that hurts and we respond by saying: "Brother, say a couple of more." His head will automatically hang down in shame. But what is the habit we have gotten into? If one lights one match-stick, the other says that he will be better than the first person only if he can light the entire match-box. This habit is bad for us." - May 1983, Sant Jarnail Singh Jee Khalsa Bhindranwale, Present Jathedar - Damdami Taksaal

please add 551 Jee :waheguru: modnote: Dhanvaad Waheguru Jeo, jaaps added :happy:

or just succeed and do well. Let barking dogs continue to bark, giving jerks attention is giving them more than they deserve.

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Lolll this sukhdev guy just spoke on sangat tv, a complete joker he getting laughed at on tv!! Honestly his actual vocal views are worse then his writings!!

Hukamnama should be given from Akal Takht to all Sikhs to act to stop the death sentence Panjab should be shut down - Panjab Bandh

ਕਬੀਰ ਚਾਵਲ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਤੁਖ ਕਉ ਮੁਹਲੀ ਲਾਇ ॥ Kabeer, the rice is beaten with a mallet to get rid of the husk. ਸੰਗਿ ਕੁਸੰਗੀ ਬੈਸਤੇ ਤਬ ਪੂਛੈ ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ॥੨੧੧॥ When people sit in evil company, the Righteous Judge of Dharma calls them to account. ||211|| ਨਾਮਾ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਕਹੈ ਤਿਲੋਚਨੁ ਮੀਤ ॥ Trilochan says, O Naam Dayv, Maya has enticed you, my friend. ਕਾਹੇ ਛੀਪਹੁ ਛਾਇਲੈ ਰਾਮ ਨ ਲਾਵਹੁ ਚੀਤੁ ॥੨੧੨॥ Why are you printing designs on these sheets, and not focusing your consciousness on the Lord? ||212|| ਨਾਮਾ ਕਹੈ ਤਿਲੋਚਨਾ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਰਾਮੁ ਸੰਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਲਿ ॥ Naam Dayv answers, O Trilochan, chant the Lord's Name with your mouth. ਹਾਥ ਪਾਉ ਕਰਿ ਕਾਮੁ ਸਭੁ ਚੀਤੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੨੧੩॥ With your hands and feet, do all your work, but let your consciousness remain with the Immaculate Lord. ||213||

lol. Great manipulation skills used in this video. If you look at the video properly and notice the key things in the background you will be able to ascertain that this recording was done at different times when none of the same people mentioned above were in the same room. Firstly the clip starts with the nutcase woman, then cleverly cuts to Balbir 'RSS' and some other 'Singh's'. Then it cuts back to the woman and Dajit doing sangat of her sitting on the floor. In this room you can see all the people sitting on the right of the room on the floor. In this clip you will also notice that the sofa is moved up to the patio door and there is something hanging from the wall in the back right and may be able to glimpse the bottom of the photos hung up on the wall on the right during the various video panning in and out of the room. When it shows all the so called 'Sikh Parchariks At Hate Monger Sadhvi'S Uk Divan' in the room with the Swami, the furniture has been rearranged and that same thing is hanging above that Swami's head. And his couch being pushed up into the far right corner by the patio. There is now a sofa under the paintings on the wall where everyone is sitting on the sofa having a good chin wig. This is probably the part where the Balbir 'RSS' video is from, but had been editied to show it as before. Plus the clip then goes on to show all of them 'Sikh Parchariks At Hate Monger Sadhvi'S Uk Divan' and the Swami together eating and having a great photo opportunity and no sight of Nirmal and that woman or the other people who were doing sangat of the woman from before. Most likely that its on two different days unless they have people handy to move furniture around everythime new guest come around :biggrin2: Did try to post this up on Panthic.org who thought did good work, but clearly they too have a part to play in misrepresenting certain issues in the benefit of their greater aim if they were not the ones to actually edit the video further. :rolleyes2:

no allegations against sant maan singh have ever even progressed past the first stage.....they are nothing more than people full of nindya..... just recently there were false allegations against Sant Jaspal Singh USA vale but look at what transpired from that. Sant Maan Singh are a very very great vidvaan with immense knowledge, these nindaks have damaged Sikhee themselves by trying to defame a Gursikh..... but this is the way of our times, that we slander the great and elevate the evil...In Gurbani GuruSahib has foretold this - je ko nai lai badnami kal ke lachan eh.."if any one remembers God he will be shamed" - ilat ka naam chaudhree.."that person who has bad behaviour will be called pardaan"

Western, eastern, muslim, sikh, buddhist, catholic... Looks like crap, smells like crap.... must be crap. I don't care where they come from or their religion. Sex tourism thing is totally true, and more needs to be done to crack down on it... both in western countries and in the countries allowing this to happen. That being said, anywhere there is a significant muslim minority they always clash with the non muslims. India, England, Philippines, Thailand... independent of the race/country of origin. So like I said, Looks like crap, smells like crap

Best way to tackle racism of anglo saxon whites here is to study natives culture/history of natives and canada inside and out so they look arrogrant, un-educated fools when making under stone stuble racist remarks here and there (eg- work places, school etc)

That's out of order PAL07 Singh, . If you look at RSingh96's post he is not saying he can't read it, he is just asking for more info/background. I know you can do brilliant translations of Panjabi into English, but encourage people don't knock them!!

if you knew your mother tongue then you wouldnt have to ask

We need to stop eating the bull that our media feeds us. Whilst I have the utmost respect for those who do serve in the armed forces (they are basically walking towards their possible deaths by signing up), the general public needs to stop supporting this "Our lads" or "Our boys" nonsense that the tabloid newspapers spew out whenever support for these immoral wars is waning. The propaganda machine guilt-trips us into thinking that if you're against the idea of war, then somehow you're anti-British or anti-American, etc. It's a very simplistic way of looking at things, and to be honest it's exactly the kind of tactics they've used in order to fracture society, i.e. you're either with us or against us. In their perception, there is no middle ground or grey area. Wake up Sikhs - don't feel like you have to pay obeisance to your adopted country by going along with everything they tell you. Using your own brain doesn't make you unpatriotic, a terrorist sympathiser or a traitor. Whilst these western countries have given us freedoms and opportunities that even our own country does not affford us, it does not mean we have to accept their brand of "slavery", no matter how subtle it may be.

Amazing.

Its not practical . The man cannot even stand with that thing on his head . He needs support , So how he will fight in war wearing that ...

It's funny racism in Canada is hidden as opposed to US which is more open. There are many frustrated anglo saxon european whites here who let it out on internet because of hate crime laws, most of them get married late or divorced, have one or two kids if any compare to asians who is making right, left and center and working very hard to integrate the kids with the western society but at the same time not annihilate them into western culture. they even predicted here in 2020 whites will be in visible minorities in metropolitan cities like Toronto, Vancouver and Calgary.

Ha if it were upto people like you, everyone would be sitting on chaddarraan outside doing simran whilst people inside were sessioning and dancing. Where would this situation have got to if those singhs didnt force their way in? You like sitting behind computers telling people how it should be done. your ideals are not realistic in the real world. you hold your own community back