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keep the signatures going....... its not done until dec 15! show them how important this is to sikhs!!!!

Raja Janak was able to alleviate people's pain even in hell...........and many people remember sants/mahapurkhs long after their gone, because of the peace they brought to earth, and how they showed ppl the right path, and helped cure them...............but for all these things u need kamaii.....which u need a human body to do.........if u can't even endure looking at other ppl's pain, how well u endure it on urself......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpqNXGvpXZE

Keep the signatures coming. Waheguru

Its done dona done !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0 left . 25008 signatures now!!!

At the end of day in this case, what matter is actual intent of an individual based on pyar and sharda. But if one must get into technicalities of it or have doubts- one could get rose petal perfume (alchohol free) or make your own- http://www.wikihow.c...e-Petal-Perfume for Guru Maharaj sargun seva. Above seva/sachkhand seva among other seva of satguru granth sahib ji maharaj (Sargun Saroop of Vahiguroo ji) comes under nine different types of bhagti: SGGS Ang- 71 Bhagat Navaie Parkara. There are nine forms of devotional worship Nine different types of bhagti towards sargun satguru granth sahib ji is mentioned as below:

What about making fun of those Sikhs who were coming from Pakistan and were labelled "bhappey"? Was it the Indians who did that? What about those who are cleanshaven but born in Sikh families and then call saabat soorat Sikhs as "Gyani"? Are they Indians too? What about those urban Sikh folks who make fun of rural Sikhs and look upon them as demented individuals? What was the word, "jatt boot"? Should we classify those city people as Indians also? Somewhere I read about Sardar Jassa Singh Ahluwalia being mocked as "humko tumko Singh" by those from Punjab as he was raised in UP/Bihar...or was it another Sikh leader whose name I can't recall right now? And we've had Sardar jokes written by Khushwant Singh too if I am not wrong? Wake up! Indians wouldn't dare to make fun of us if we didn't initiate it ourselves. They have a lot in their own culture that can be made fun of, however we turned out to be the ones giving them a chance to do it to us. Having said that, let me also point out that it is very much possible these jokes were in fact initiated by non-Sikhs, be they Hindu or Muslim. But let me tell you, this joke story is much older than 1947. Here is a Muslim's account of the 1947 carnage. Not too sure if its a true story, but its definitely written during those turbulent times. Oh and yes, its translated by Khushwant Singh as well... http://www.sikh-hist...s/sardarji.html

Yep, I like the brothers videos, so I was happy to contribute to the cause + I think it takes a lot of guts to give up your job and security to venture in to spreading the Guru's word 24-7. Something we should all be doing, but very rarely do! His actions spoke as loud as his words ;-)

I see this as a very superficial thirst for Truth - Sach that each individual goes through. Sree Raag: You are me, and I am You-what is the difference between us? We are like gold and the bracelet, or water and the waves. ||1|| If I did not commit any sins, O Infinite Lord, how would You have acquired the name, 'Redeemer of sinners'? ||1||Pause|| You are my Master, the Inner-knower, Searcher of hearts. The servant is known by his God, and the Lord and Master is known by His servant. ||2|| Grant me the wisdom to worship and adore You with my body. O Ravi Daas, one who understands that the Lord is equally in all, is very rare. ||3||

If you want take it....... my parent were also against it... i took it.... i know i will change with time... but i will do my level best to continuee being amritdhari....... Previously i was doing 100 mistakes... after taking amrit i doing 2-3 there is a reduction ......... i m able to control myself.. for all the false that i use to do.... Rehet... should change with time.... in future u will be working guy.... no worries. about timings to do path.... just do it.. as u find time.... work the way u want.... live the way you want..... but believe me taking amrit profit u in many sense... u r away frm bad deeds.. drugs.... drinks... all those things which can spoil ur life..... So its not only... the rehet u need to maintain.... its basically the purity n exploring ur self control..... Bus ena dhyan rakhi... Amirt chak ke je todna e te na chakki.... No Bedbi Please... Think n den move tc

Ever heard of art work? Yes sikhi has its own art..!!

Morcha Fateh..!!!!!!! Vahiguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vahiguroo ji ki fateh..!!! ok..what happens next? whats the process?

HSD2. So it had nothing to do with Baldev Singh being entirely outgunned and outclassed by by Oxford educated lawyers at the Round table conferences in London then? The point being, the Sikhs didn't fight alongside the British because the the British had promised them a seperate nation in return. That was never the case. In addition, that was never my point. The point here, is the Brits have always defended the Sikh identity when others fail to do so. They defended it in the past, they are defending it as we speak (MoD has supported Mr Bhullar) and I'm confident they will defend it in the future should the need arise. With regards to Sikh's not being given a seperate homeland; if a failure or weakness on the part of the Sikhs, or I should say, Sikh leadership, prevented them from successfully negotiating a seperate settlement in the 1930's, when such a settlement was indeed on offer, then why continue to blame the British? As convinient as it may be to blame others, and I take your point about the Treaty of Lahore because that is a valid point indeed, but to blame the British for everything is absurd. Weak Sikh leadership contributed as much if not more to the downfall in the demand for a seperate Sikh-dominated country. We may not like to admit it, but it's absolutely true.

Very close to morcha fateh...keep it up guys.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is living example of sikh integrated resources/sikh from all walks of life- working together as one voice/unit regarding common cause..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :D

Lets try to go way above the 25000 target. Blast it everywhere

vjkkvjkf! thought i'd give the sangat dibs on the shastar i have for sale or swap! i'm open to offers im looking at for £250 for the firangi , its a massive beast. just over 45inches the islamic tulvaar with gold script on the blade of shamshire style with no myan +copper handle is £70 the fullered south indian tulvaar with original myan is £130 if you would like to give me any offers email me on singh_the_end@hotmail.co.uk i could do the whole lot for £350 , saving you £100 , If want to offer me something for all 3 pieces thats fine too the jamdhar/sosun pattah is SOLD. akaal.

Evil things love place with no sucham lol what a response! Do some paat don't worry about it these things have more hold over you if your scared of them.... Nirbhau....

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/GaNmcx3c/Criticism_Of_Giani_Gian_Singh.html

Singhfauja ji we are here comparing apples and oranges here. Yes, two wrong does not make it right.. Attack on sri guru granth sahib ji maharaj, sri dasam granth sahib- systematically by teja singh bhausarias idealogy has been far more dangerous and far more damaging to panth than some manmat spread by some udasi and nirmale..sure we cannot and should not have double standards, we need to condemn them to equally in same breath for attempted in the past to bring Hinduism rituals in Gurmat. There are no grounds for anyone to justify their wrong doing either. As i said earlier teja singh bhausaria may have been died but idea never dies..the same basis of his idea based on bubble of - paranoia insecurity, hysteria, inferiority complex was picked by missionaries and others and is still being super imposed on the panth by missionaries here- rejection of dasam granth, rejection of jaap sahib, rejection of bhai gurdas ji varan and others. Bhausaria idea attack on Gurmat has been proven time and time again to be severely damaging to Gurmat as it attacks scriptures, create doubts within sikhs regarding this own guru...that is single handily most internal threat sikh faces..once you have attacked guru maharaj ang there is no other severe attack than that. Pseduo missionaries and others are direct by products of bhausaria idea..it does not rocket scientist to figure that out, its pretty easy to connect the dots, they may not be related or from the same pind but they are feeding the same frenzy as teja singh bhausaria did. Now coming to manmat by some pseduo nirmale and udasi..two things - first key thing- manmat was condemned by nirmale and udasi..in fact nirmale and udasi kicked the bad apples out from them, udasi and nirmale endorsed original singh sabha so that they can free sikh places of worship from curropt leadership..they were not against orginal singh sabha at all, in fact the sgpc granthi of darbar sahib was nirmala himself. In fact some nihangs hate nirmale for this..!!..Nirmale always tried to meditate a solution and looked at the bigger picture than small stuff. Now second thing is- some of anti gurmat stuff performed by some bad apples of nirmale and udasi were adddressed and fixed. In fact, last time i have checked- sgpc have full control of darbar sahib, takth sahib within punjab, and nirmale and udasi are welcome back in panth after years of demonization and demoralization by akalis, even anandpur sahib resolution (which sant jarnail singh bhindranwale, jhaaros/kharakos fight and died for) clearly talks about udasi and nirmale sikhs should be welcomed back in sikh panth http://en.wikipedia....dpur_Resolution (h). Taking appropriate measures for the enactment of an All India Gurdwaras Act with a view to improving the administration of the gurdwaras throughout the country and to reintegrate the traditional preaching sects of Sikhism like Udasis and Nirmalas, without in any way encroaching upon the properties of their maths. Even if given benefit of doubt to doubtful, even if lets say just some of manmat are still being committed by nirmale and udasi, even if they are- the key thing is its not being superimposed onto the panth un alike bhausaria ideaology have done, latest dhunda/kala afghana/pseduo missionaries incident past printing birs without mangals/ragmalla incident speaks for itself. Another reason bhausaria is highly dangerous than some of things nirmale and udasi have done in the past is bhuasaria does not have ideological frame work, bhasuaria idea is to make "sikhs" so paranoia insecure, inferior to the brink that they would take actions in extreme lengths to adddress- yes even if it means to reject dasam granth sahib, reject jaap sahib, reject bhai gurdas ji varan all in comfort of getting false sense of security that to avoid bhraminvaad, rss etc. Some of manmats committed by nirmale were contained as nirmale have their head akhara- nirmal panchyati akhara where rules are laid out- meeting of nirmale mahants of akharas are held and also main thing is none of nirmale and udasi rituals (be it according to gurmat or contary) are NOT super imposed by any means on the panth but bhausaria idea based on human traits cannot be contained as there is no ideological frame work, it could be shared by all and being super imposed on the panth..thats why its so dangerous..!!. Regarding caste discrimination you are simply out of depth on this one- lets not blame nirmale and udasi only, it has effected everyone sikhs from all walks of life. It's fact that its punjabi tribal thinking effected every sikhs from all walks of life for eg- akaali leaders refusing to give amrit to dalits that dr ambadekhar ji bought with him after being discrimated by hindu leaders. And Lets not forget- singh sahib discrimation against non jatt members, even to this day- in singh sabha gurdwara committe members or board of directors are all jatts, how bloody convinenet and lets not forget couples getting married within their jatha/samaprda..again how bloody convienent...lets live by actions rather than empty words that sikhs themselves are immune from caste discrimation and jatha/samparda discrimation when it comes gursikhs finding their partner. I have one of my divine brother- gyani gurdev singh ji who stayed at taksal, nirmale and with jatha singhs for (5 years in toronto) who broke all barriers of samparda and jatha discrimination and who is now married 3ho singhani despite of differences..now thats what you call breaking barriers and setting good example of without any discrimination, living life full without any insecurity/comfort zones. Caste discrimation within sikhs sikhs whether its evident form (mabhzi sikhs getting seperate amrit) or subtle form(as it mentioned above) its there thanks to punjabi tribalism..and thats harsh truth..we need to collectively lead by examples/actions than empty words..if we cannot marry our son and daughter outside of caste or outside of punjabi tribalism then we have no reason to whine about caste discrimation..good deeds/donation/changes starts from home..!! Osingh veer...i am sure teja singh bhausaria intially meant well had good intentions, but unfortunately list of radical changes he attempted to bought fwd in sikhi does not quantify all the good stuff he may have done in the past, he left the earth, but his diseased idea lives on in the panth. At this moment, I am not too concerned about bhausaria list of radical changes of rejecting bani have audacity to print sri guru granth sahib without his modified version of bani as the suitation was contained. But i am actually concerned about what invokes his thinking and what led him to go extreme lenghts of super imposing the changes itself on the panth, there was no idealogy behind it - it was simple byproduct of human trait- insecure, parniao, hysteria that sikh scriptures were altered by hindus so therefore it should be modified/reprinted..!! There are still many effected by bhausaria are mum when it comes to rejecting gurbani openly however they are still who discrimate within gurbani, there are those(wide range of missionaries among others) who only read gurbani mukhvak guru maharaj and take bhagata di bani/bhatta di swaie as pinch of salt and ignore reading it and apply that in their daily life. At the end, bhausaria idea is damaging the panth- evidently as well as subtly systematically....my advise to my brothers- save your scriptures guys..if youths here- don't want to trust nirmale and udasi, sevapanthis don't simple - no harm done - sikhi is not confined to what sikhs or youths abroad think..it does not matter to me..for me what panth (panj takth including puratan samparda's) thinks thats what matter..because thats the foundation of the panth but do save your scripture from bhausaria thought, even slightest suggestion of rejecting gurbani, sri dasam granth- we should become one voice behind the panth (all panj takth) and vehemently defend against regardless whoever it is...people may target dhunda- hold protest and apply band aid fixes infront of him..dhunda goes away another one will come back until we address the root of the problem .!!

Why don't you do something to alleviate the suffering of the world like Bhagat Puran Singh Ji - dedicate your life to seva. If you decide to end your life, you will only wander about like a ghost or something until your allocated life span is over, then you will be called to account.

For some strange reason, when I first saw the title of this thread I began to think of 'protection after marriage' in terms of a hockey stick or a baseball bat next to the bed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramahansa_Yogananda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feh3wPk3oCo

as per Damdamit taksal's rehat maryada you can only wear black/blue/white/safron color's in turban and clothing's i dont see an issue here

Hehehe..I love this...i was waiting for this one..so predictable...lol..ok lets try different way so they studied from nange udasi sadhus? i didn't know nange hindu udasi sadhus were worldy teachers..how could they after all they are bairaagi udhasi sadhus... so they learnt aspect of sikhi from them...whatever you like it or not..i know people must be thinking how could they study from nange hindu udasi sadhu? what happened to learning from tyar bar tyar naam rasiya bibeki tyaar bar tyaar khalsa? hai hai what happened to their bibek? hai hai manmat RSS hindu? they should have went pesh..hai hai..knock on boparia bhindran kalan gurdwara and demand - sant baba sunder singh bhindranwale come out from sachkhand and pesh himself..hai hai manmat hai hai RSS BJP. where panthic.org with their so called journalism skills..lol when you need them..hahaha.!! It's know fact in puratan times- udasi and nirmale used to teach (spiritual, ayurvedic, gurmat knowledge) to akali nihangs, misal singhs, gristhi singhs alike buts its not a general rule, in fact many great damdami taksal jathedars also teached gurmat/gurbani many udasi without any string attached that they must look like them..yeah same udasi which hybrid types so despise..!! Even right now swami bhramdev "udasi" and gyani sher singh ambala were first ones to come up anti dasam heretics rebuttal while new age hybrid taksali listen to tupac - yo yo songs..!! These hybrid types, have audacity to witch haunt udasi on this for whatever reason..i simply ask them to stop using damdami taksal jathedars name as tokens..they seem to be pretty frustrated/desperate and they will try to remove links of nirmale/udasi with taksal from references pretty border line as what teja singh bhausaria did..so they can keep continue use damdami taksal jathedars as mere tokens for their "propaganda war"..!!

This historic Gurdwara was destroyed during the 1984 Genocide and the land has been seized . All Sikh Jathebandhis should push for its restoration.

A Sikh Does not believe in this stuff. -full stop. Yes there are many weak people out there that fall for this stuff and start seeing exorcists and pandits or what have you. But if a sikh ever doubts that someone may have cursed him or done some voodoo crap, then that sikh should just adhere to the gurbani abit more and have the utmost faith in it. -Then nothing can come near, the sikh becomes untouchable by these fallacies.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh With guru's grace Mumbai' sangat is organising its Annual AKJ Smagam in Jan 2013 (9th Jan to 12th Jan) with 12th Jan being the rainsabai day. Following keertanees' will be part of the samagam along with many more :- Bhai Jagpal Singh - UK Bhai Chranjeet Singh - UK Giani Gurdev Singh - Australia Bhai Ravinder Singh - Delhi Bhai Kulwant Singh - Kaki Pind Master Gurbachan Singh - Dyalpur Bibi Kulwinder Kaur - Jammu The poster will follow soon..Watch out for this space....Waheguru... Sangat Ji - Please bless us with your darshan Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh

wjkk wjkf, well said fightingsingh, its true when the <banned word filter activated> hits the fan in a real confrontation all these so called deadly moves will go out of the window and you will get battered. You have to train in situations without compliance, ive seen these sv guys punch and keep their arms stretched out so that 'nang' can show some deadly move!!! who the hell keeps their arm out after a punch? its retracted almost immediately!!! you need to train in a non-compliance arena, with resistance and a bit of adrenaline! then you will find out what really works, i would like to see these guys against a good boxer, they would get smashed!!! wjkk wjkf