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Not to sidetrack this important thread, because I truly believe an online shittar parade for this disgraceful father daughter duo needs to happen, but I will say an unmanageable number of our people have fallen into the cesspit of all the garbage different cultures inevitably sh8! out along their course of progress. We have a decent time tested culture with an added bonus of a religion, yet still we are ever eager to jump on any passing band wagon. Pure bandar behaviour! Our cousins across the border get it. There’s a place and space for whoring. Even the most non-religious of them will not be dancing with his daughter after her winning an underwear competition. If elements of this garbage enters deeper into society under the guise of culture, there won’t be a culture left to propagate. You will have something akin to the decaying civilizations of the west minus all the good stuff. Essentially nothing. Ready for absorption into the nearest group.

Is anybody really surprised by the family's reaction? Society has been undergoing moral decay for quite some while now, and this honestly isnt even the worse of what filth is out right now (cough, Karenjit Vohra, cough). No fuss to be made about "Punjabi" folks doing this stuff when its been happening for decades now, but we must actively seperate this from sikhi and not let any illusion of this being allowed within the religious perimeters of faith and what pisses me off more than the girl (which barely does as being Panjabi shouldnt simply gaurantee a higher degree of modesty or chastity and women around the world would kill to have what she has achieved) are the "sikhs" celebrating this. We shouldn't be celebrating this nor feel threatened, our sikhi isn't weak enough to be threatened by this. Filth has thrived in this world throughout kaliyug. Appealing to older values of anakh and chivalry isn't going to help since that has been evidently dead for a while now, instead we should look past and not give these contests and the women competing what they crave: attention.

And people get triggered when I and others of my frame of mind say that it's in situations such as these that Muslims (Pakistanis, to be fair) have the right idea when it comes to women and this nachna-tapna bukwaas. Sure, they have their hypocricies, but at least there's some semblance of not doing your own besti in these matters. Some folk possess an artistic spirit and I understand the need for certain people to express themselves creatively (it's an itch that has to be scratched), but there's a difference between sitting down and writing a poem, a short story, or painting a canvas, and this Punjabi gandh of manufacturing our own brand of dancing w4ores that men all around the world can ogle. And the bhainchod mappe that cheer their daughters need flogging. But ultimately you don't want to make martyrs of these people because the world we live in is upside down, and these "controllers" are desperately looking for opportunities to make villains of traditionally-minded cultures and groups.

What a pathetic act by this father. This degenerate behaviour tends to snowball if not strongly objected to and freely ridiculed. The social consequences have to be real and severe to prevent this trash culture taking root. This whole entertainment industry is the modern day morphed form of the kotha brothel. The families who support their children, especially daughters, in these whoreshows need to experience everyday shame and feel rejection from society. Sounds harsh, but it works and has worked. Only when their izzat is hit will they think twice. There has to be a price paid for degenerate behavior.

50 years back if you asked a turbaned Sardar father to watch his daughter in swimming costume, he would have preferred to die.

Yes manmukh women are ready to show their body parts and curves for money and fame. That's why Guru Sahib gave us Charitropakhyan to save us from deceptive manmukh women. Beauty is a subjective thing. Just putting lots of make up on your face and exposing your body doesn't make a person beautiful.

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh ji Sorry for the late reply I was busy with exams and family things. Hanji, when world does paap, bad karma is added to the world.The world is taking too much Paap.Even our planet is a soul and is alive, there is a limit to how much paap can be handled. So bad things happen as a result, Natural disasters, wars, floods.The only thing we can do is Jap Naam and encourage others to read Bani as well.

You have the most oddest morality

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh Das will try to upload shabads every day. Bhul Chuk Maf ?

Ever see they way hulk hogan treats his daughter? Way creepier.

We shouldnt celebrate these people. Their religion is money and all they do is promote western hegemony over us by promoting things related to west. Dont they want us to loose our culture so they can all rule over the world? Without culture a group of people are nothing and what is promoted in the west? Assimilation and giving up of one's culture.

When dharma gets weaker in a society, sharam also disappears. Present day people hv become besharam.

She's still got a Panjabi nose though......lol I think this is done purposefully to get into the heads of Panjabi Sikh girls and make them more 'modren'. How is she MIss Universe, theres prettier women than her in the supermarket? I wonder what she looks like without the make up? Probably average?

We change what's done at the Gurudwara level. What the lifestyle entails, what we offer? Sikhi will be packed. Add some shameless self asuredness. Swag swag swag.

Thats no hidden secret. 47 Singhs killed their daughters instead facing the M gangs crossing the borders. Been since beginning of islam...I give them credit at least they doing what Islamic teaches them to do.. spread the world of allah. Also if they convert non-believers or those who are different faiths they get extra points when they reach heaven...its part of their duty...

That is true The cosmetics industry is huge. With social media, things have become amplified. The amount of filtering and photo-shopping and lighting that goes on is mind blowing and puts pressure on girls. If you see some of the make-up/ non make-up pictures with celebrities you realise how ordinary they really are. 80 percent of their "beauty " can be removed with a wet wipe.

She's not all that to be honest. The beauty industry has needed to break into the India market since the 1990s and hence why 'Indians' seem to win these beauty contests at regular intervals. As for the family, they are typical now of most Indian urban families they think that their mentality is modern but all they are doing are aping the west and we can see where the west has ended up morally.

I am beginning to believe women want to objectify themselves. There is a lot of money that these girls make to objectify themselves. Like these girls say, " it's my body my choice. Who are you to tell me what to do. You don't own me, I'm a liberated woman, I can do what I like " Harnaaz is getting what most girls crave , "attention "

We Punjabis are a minority community with a strong dislike to the majority in our world. It’s similar to blacks being minorities. The Hindus and East Asians are both majority cultures.

Wake up! It's as clear as day.

I'm always suspicious about this false misconception about political incompetence or stupidity. The media (who is ultimately part of the same rotten system) deliberately circulates this idea that some politicians don't know what they're doing. I think you need to be if not intelligent at least somewhat cunning or calculating particularly when it comes to senior political posts. Labelling Priti Patel as useless or whatnot is a mistake. Why? Have we considered that she's been instructed NOT to get a grip on the migrant situation and then claim otherwise in her public declarations? If, as I've always believed, political parties are a sham and they simply continue the policies and work of each other over the decades, something as unreliably hollow as the electorate's democratic desire only gets in the way of these evil people's long-term plans.

I think it matters very little on who actually controls the Gurdwaras if our soch is not ultimately based on Sikhi in the spirit; as most aam Banda will view gurdwaras the same, (eating Langar, showing off clothes, and gossiping about stuff). We could hypothetically have Gurdwaras run completely according to Gurmat, and still have our society be backwards. Even when our Gurdwaras were owned by Hindu Mahants, the Aam Sikh was still more in Sikhi soch than they are today.

According to this you’re right

That would be the natural route to take to at least reduce the speed of the decline. But the people at the top are infuriatingly resistant to anything that decreases their control and power. They've settled into a routine, and even if someone were to arrive with a fool-proof plan that was nothing but pro-Sikh and pro-Maryada, there would still be resistance on the part of these "custodians" owing to their own insecurities and fears. When a person's roti or livelihood depends on perpetuating the status-quo, they'd go to any lengths to ensure things stay as they are.

Their only izzat is money.

I'm beginning to wonder if Dutch man really exists. Seems to all be a bit of a fantasy novel designed to keep us entertained.

so ive been wondering for quite some while now, apart from sampardai, is it okay for individuals to incorporate more bani into their evening rehras as part of their personal abhyaas edit: I think we may have talked about this in another topic way back edit: yea just looked through, it was the "chhota anand sahib" question I asked way back lol

careful khalsa ji, missionaries are going cancel you because the gurbilas granths are granths of bahminvaad written by vidwaans of brahmin lineage ?

I disagree. Look at the way she is now attacking Amaan, had she been naive on the Kashmir issue then she would not now be attacking him but she has an axe to grind and so she continues to badmouth him. It doesn't matter from what timeframe these liberals joined the farmers protest, their support is solely to use the farmers protest to damage Modi and the BJP. They tried to use the anti-CAA protests against Modi which turned out to be a farce easily destroyed by attacks by BJP goons. The liberals showed their true colours when they supported the paedophiles against our community. The sooner these liberals are exposed the better because in my view this Monica Gill and other liberals like here are a hundred times worse than Sirsa. Sirsa and Amaan saved a Sikh girl from a life worse than hell with a paedophile and bought the sad situation of Sikhs living in Kashmir to the diaspora. This is what has irked the liberals because their Kashmiriyat has been shown to be a sham.

The key is to be on the side of Gurmat, not nihang or singh sabha. Also you are confusing Babbar Akalis with Nihangs. They are not the same Yes, I was referring to Kartar Singh Jhabbar and the ones who freed the gurudware thx for the response most people seem to be against the SGPC version of the story, is Jhabbar and the gurudwara reformers really to be blamed much as well

Haha sant jee did it without going into any samadhi Guru ke premi singh do not get entangled in worldy miracles and shows of maya

as far as this neech can understand waheguru is the name of kartar/akaal purakh/paarbrahm by which we do remembrance/naam jaap all rest are descriptive generic terms, that folks adhering to other theologies use for their own devi devte like gopal means lord of the universe, raam means all pervading, hari is the sustainer (one who brings hariali aka life/greenery), kartar is creater, thakur is master, and other terms like sada siv, mahakaal are also used etc. now hindus of different shaiv, vaishnav, brahman matts etc. believe krishna to be gopal, raam chandra ji to be raam, krishna to be hari, sada siv and mahakaal are attributed to mahadev/mahesh/rudra dev, paarbrahm to brahma but naming your child after a Godly quality doesnt exclusively make them an avtar or something, I am sure there are many hari singhs, gopal singhs, raam singhs, bishan singhs, kishan singhs, gobind singhs, that arent so same goes for arabic names of God meeaning different things

that one is recent, 19th century giani gian singh wanted to elaborate further on the legitimacy of guru granth sahib jee maharaj being bestowed the gurgaddi and completely disavow all dehdhari shenanigans, so he changed the guru khalsa part as well

haha people keep on simplifying it way too much

huh i swear wikipedia called him a terrorist, i just checked and they removed it and just have him as fourteenth jathedar oof prominent orthodox Damdami taksal

so a japji raul wouldn't replace japji sahib recited in panj bania it is only a method of reading bani to be implemented in ADDITION to nitnem as far as I understand? I used to have this habit a bit back in childhood, not really sampat, but I used to get into waheguru jaap while doing japuji shib after maha mantar when i get to "...jap...." before moving onto rest of japji sahib would this be manmat as I "input" waheguuru jaap into gurbani at my own will

what are your thoughts on sadasat simran singh? I have listened to his kirtan and he really has put a TON of effort into become a learned raagi

The southern borders seem quite good for a potential sikh nation or greater autonomous Punjab based on the ghagger-hakra river basin of the larger Indus river basin region

cough, NKJ, cough

agreed we DON'T mind or impose brutality upon homosexuals, BUT we do not promote it and it is not in the ideal conduct of sant-sipahi which is why one cannot go through with anand karaj for engaging in homosexual behavior since non-sikhs cannot do so and homosexual behavior does not pertain to sikh ethos but yeah I know lgbtq folks and we get along fine, but just dont bring in faith to justify yourselves lol

We should throw in dasam bani virodhi supporters and Bhausarias

yes sri guru grnath sahib is completely universal and aide in achieiving naam for all of humanity shabad from sggsj is for that purpose but calling oneself a sikh of the guru requires a certain conduct I think most of us can agree on this

wow so they do not revolve around sri guru granth sahib and they seem to be reciting salok m 9 instead of laavan de paath also I love the gora commentator who finds brides getting wed in a marraige costing less than 13 ruppees appalling if he were alive today, he'd be appalled by the exact opposite of how lavish "sikh weddings" are

I mean you can in ADDITION to nitnem I remember once a taksali kathavachik at our gurdwara in Manteca proclaimed to sangat bout how sant bhindranwale did panj banis in evening AGAIN When asked why, he explained that he was making up for amritvelas he missed as an infant and child and is paying interest for rest of his life Not sure if it's true just putting it out there Panj granthi contains these banis I think and im pretty sure one can do those anytime

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Waheguru ji malwa in general does with Satluj being polluted with nuclear waste from Badal constituencies of Bhatinda where the thermal plant doesnt handle its nuclear waste well and let's uranium mix into waters

have you been to Ludhiana I believe that might be most polluted city in all of Punjab its the san francisco of Punjab

elder naamdharis werent like that they've been hijacked in the late 1800s as was the rest of the panth by arya samajis yet udasis, nirmalas, naamdharis haven't recovered from the destructive period of time where sikhi was at brink of extinction