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This reminds of this scene in Bruce Lee's Fist Of Fury. I guess we have always been seen as mercenaries.

Make no mistake about it, we are at a cross road. Every other last community is shaking off their colonial baggage. You see this coming from everywhere. We need it even more than others because our lot were so deeply entwined in this previously. And it brought us nothing but death and destruction and losses.

The problem is that apne think they have made it in life if they move to a gora area. Likewise suls love to flock to where apne are, no apna ever moves to a predominantly sul area in this day and age.

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Empirical evidence suggests that any effort by a member of the older generation to live according to Sikhi has zero impact on the younger generation keeping their kesh. For example, consider the 1960s Wolverhampton bus driver who was not allowed to do his job after he started keeping his kesh. That incident sparked protests. But a generation later, it is not enough to inspire his son to keep his kesh. And then we can go beyond that and consider descendants of Sikh shaheeds or even descendants of our Gurus!

I think that it is just too late. If Haridwar can get holy city status then why not amritsar? The reason they don't want to do it because if holy status given then Meat and Liquor will be banned from the city. Plus they simply want to continue to suppress the minority. Majority of the Amritsar residents are non-sikhs. Those who think Amritsar is not important for Sikhs; needs to get their head check.

Why does everyone fixate on Amritsar so much? Waheguru is everywhere. There is nothing special about Amritsar. This is just another illustration of Sikhs mimicking other religions. We need to have a "holy city" because we are no less than them!

Amritsar should be more than that even, should be given a special status like Rome and City of London!

it's supposed bring even more bir rass. The Khalsa armies were able to keep this Granth away from the goray so they couldn't put any shanka into sikhs like they did for Dasam bani and even banis for Adi Guru Granth Sahib ji

What do you think that Sarbloh Granth brings in that Dasam Granth doesn't - just out of interest.

what will happen when the wider panth comes across Sarbloh Granth???? lol

Note all the current obsession with light skin. These geezers are as black as some Africans.The one on the right could pass for Aboriginal. And people should speak for themselves......no pot belly here.....lol I think it's actually more about physical activity. I was looking at the Falcon regimental guide and I was pretty shocked to see that the diet had not changed much in over hundred years. Basically my parent's generation was eating pretty similar (if not identical) to what was a normal rural Panjabi diet a hundred and thirty odd years ago. I think the lack of sun and heat in the west also plays a big part in not only our skin colour, but also our biological processes with vit D.

so we need to tackle if head-on. At the moment, most of the sikh community doesn't seem comfortable with calling hates as haters, instead we are just watching things slowly. When it's people from outside the community, whether it be white racists, or islamic groomers, we seem to stand up aggressively. But when it's our own community, we seem to just try and let things slide as the hatred seems to be transmitted to further generations. I would say the anti-Singh feeling has at least reached grandchildren generation now. But since even the lost sehajdhari sangat still seems to be using Gurdwara at least for ceremonies, we can still bring them back even by this small thread. As they are still connected to Guru in a minimal way, we can still bring them back to respect the community. Also some organisations like university sikh societites, Basics of Sikhi, Nanak Naam and others seem to bringing some sikhs back and sometimes these sikhs even take khanda dee pahul. I been seeing amrit-dharis doing this dating mentality as well. 2nd best or whatever is for dating mentaility peoples, trying to do grihast with ex partners, not good

3. There is Katha I listened to from I think Suraj Prakash. In the katha Baba Santa Singh said that keshi ishnaan should be done every 4 days. There is also something called panj ishnaan. 4. For an amrit dhari who is has taken khanday dee pahul, it is also very important to maintain and shastar and do shastar abiyaas, which is also bhagti. Bana is also important with bani. 5. I don't think there is much sucham with street sellers in India. However I see amrit dharis in India eating food at functions where the flies are sitting on them, so what do I know? Some amrit dharis follow Sarbloh bibek, such as the more strict Singhs in Budha Dal,, where food is eaten in Sarbloh utensils and all water is drunk from a well. This is more easier to do in India than in the west.

I tell you why I think many Sikhs can't be bothered to debate people from Abrahamic backgrounds - because it's boring. It just usually comes down to proof of miracles and pedantic debates about 'attributes' with certain people claiming God doesn't forgive giving him attributes regardless of the fact that their own conceptualisation has its own attributes. It's dumb. Then if you throw in the whole Adam and Eve thing (and who their children married) and dinosaurs it gets even more strange.

pauVI ] (473-11) pa-orhee. Pauree: sBu ko AwKY Awpxw ijsu nwhI so cuix kFIAY ] (473-11) sabh ko aakhai aapnaa jis naahee so chun kadhee-ai. All call You their own, Lord; one who does not own You, is picked up and thrown away. kIqw Awpo Awpxw Awpy hI lyKw sMFIAY ] (473-12) keetaa aapo aapnaa aapay hee laykhaa sandhee-ai. Everyone receives the rewards of his own actions; his account is adjusted accordingly. jw rhxw nwhI AYqu jig qw kwiequ gwrib hMFIAY ] (473-12) jaa rahnaa naahee ait jag taa kaa-it gaarab handhee-ai. Since one is not destined to remain in this world anyway, why should he ruin himself in pride? mMdw iksY n AwKIAY piV AKru eyho buJIAY ] (473-13) mandaa kisai na aakhee-ai parh akhar ayho bujhee-ai. Do not call anyone bad; read these words, and understand. mUrKY nwil n luJIAY ]19] (473-13) moorkhai naal na lujhee-ai. ||19|| Don't argue with fools. ||19||

if someone looks at sikhi as a religion called sikhism, they already have a different mindset to me lol !

I agree that Sikhism is 100% true. But that does not mean the other paths are 100% false. That's what the Abrahamics believe (that other religions are totally false). I don't really think there's any point to debating them, unless they want to attack us, in which case we can respond. But as for discussion (as opposed to debate), I think the reason we don't do that is 1) we don't have good English-speaking spokesmen who are also fully knowledgeable about Gurbani and 2) we don't have the courage to discuss such matters with non-Sikhs because we don't have our story straight. I.e., what's our belief on X? Or Y? Or Z? I think we have a soft underbelly which Christian missionaries will exploit.

A true religion believes all can lead to God. A false religion says that only their faith can lead to God. Hence in a way. We do believe our faith is the right one due to the above. only a true religion will state equality for all. Also if we take a look at the facts. Sikhs belive that we all will be reincarnated. Ie we believe that muslims will also be reincarnated. Hence our religion does not say muslims will go to their heaven hence it makes islamic beliefs void. So when we look at things practically Our faith does not agree with fundamental beliefs of other faiths. All people regardless of what faith they are will be judged according to our faith belief system. So it does not matter how good a muslim is. He will not go to any kind of heaven or hell. He will either merge with God or be reincarnated based on our beliefs.

1. When i was newly amritshak, i did not eat until nitnem finished. But now im down to doing japji sahib before eating. 2. I do body shower daily and head shower weekly. If u r gonna do head shower daily, DO NOT use shampoo daily. Use it every other day and other days use just water or maybe dahi(yogurt). Everyday use of shampoo will totoally dry out ur hair. Also u will have to oil ur hair alot. 3. My whole family does a small prayer basically just a small shabad for protection every time we get in the car, cuz weve had a lot of car accidents. One right in front of our house. And its easy to do small ardaas for any task. It just like mentally saying, waheguru ji im going to the gym now. Let me remwmber u. You dont have to stand up and d o the full ardaas 4. The other things like speaking the truhth and not eating out,.i dont do. But i regret that i dont. I know if i did them, my jeevan would be alot better. You should try doing them. As after taking amrit, all ur pishle karam r naas. So u basically have a clean slate. U dont want to have regrets like the policeman thing. So try to tell the truth always. It will make u steonger and braver. 5. Also i try to do at least 10 mins or 5 mins of simran before my nitnem. Cuz i just learnt how important that is. And scinece is all abt how important meditation is too. Also it helps calm ur mind down so it can concentrate on nitmem Also check out gurmatbibek.com. it has a sakhi abt a used car salesperson who started to tell the whole truth always. After bwing amritdhari. And lying is almoat required for a used cars salesperson. Yet he did it. And maharaj kirpa, his business soared cuz ppl began tp relay on him ans trust him .

maybe we need to start planting stuff in gardens and allotments, need to rely less on supermarkets.

There could be an examole feom Guru Gobind Singh Jis time. One is Bibi Deep Kaur, she was part of a jatha going to visit anandpur sahib. Got left behind and was attacked by 4 muslim soldiers. She fought back. Had to grapple with one as well. She won. Made it to anandour sahib. Her family wanted to disown her for having been touched by a muslim. But guruju said No she is my true daughter. Be brave and fight. Another story is that of bibi basant kaur i think. I dont know how accurate it is tho. Apparently Bibi Basant Kaur was captured by a muslim ruler. The muslim was gonna do nikah with her. She penned a letter to guruji and sent i off. It said something aling the lines of i have no choice. But i will not lose my dharam. And she used the muslims knife to stab her self to death when he came to take her to nikah. The letter reached guruji. And they say, that guruji who had never cried not at the martyrdom of his father or his sons or his mother. When he read that letter, a single tear fell down. I dont think this story is credible. But i did here it. Also there is a very good analysis of this on gurmatbibek.com. it says that during the 1700s. When singhnia were captured by mir mannu. They endured all the tortures and starvation and had their chikdren butchered and still said the day and night has passed in peace. During partition times, women were not as strong, sikhis was weaker. But women in rawalpindi which is in pakistan now (jumped in fires. All of the sikh women of that village) but on youtube there is another account. A bajurg survivor said, when it was time for the sikhs to leave. The muslims surrounded the sikh village and a badmash came out and said, we will let u leave. Just let ur daughter visit me for a few days. I will send her after u. So the bazurgs dad, he had a kirpan. Got his daughter to bow her head down. And chopped her head off. The first time wasnt a clean cut. Its a harrowing account. Listen to it on YouTube. Anyways the other sikhs followed suit. And killed their own daughters. This too in rawalpindi. So idk why there are two accounts. Anyways the point was that, sikhi wasnt that strong, but sikh women still had enough anakh to die with their dignity intact. But in 1984, sikh women were captured and raped during operation blue star and after sikhi was so weak in panjab that instead of fighting back, women became sitting ducks. To be used to lure kharkoos from hiding. As the govt targetes their families. As in everything, sikhi has no blanket rule. Every person must decide for themselves. If they r willing to pay the consequence of sin. In an extreme situation, i would be Willing to eat meat to save my life and i would be willing to pay the price of sin. I would rather commit suicide then face rape and am willing to face hell for that. I am willing to eat cyanide pill to protect my brothers in arms in a revolution so in weakness i dont condemn them and am wilking ro face Gids justice in that. See, its all personal choice. As is would u be willing to abort a child to save the moms life? Hopefully, mahrajs kirpa we neve have to face such dilemma

how about the sikh women that had to do suicide during partition to escape the muslim hordes?

Agree, suicide is not the right term in this context. I read this is when they were longing for darshan of Dashmesh pita and were willing to sacrifice themselves in order to do so and whilst being saved received a message that Guru Ji would meet them at Nagina Ghat where they had darshan of Maharaj sitting on a throne and the Panj Piyare. Another version is they were offering themselves as food to crocodiles and fish, which to me seems less believable.

Yep news to me!!

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During the armed struggle of the 90s some Singh's kept cyanide capsule's. These were consumed before capture. Makes sense if they were unable to endure torture without jeopardising future missions or giving away location of others. I do wonder if in these exceptional circumstances and like ones already described there is a level of forgiveness involved so they can return not as a pret but in human form.

I would say the argument would be between 1) Never acceptable 2) Acceptable under extreme circumstances but not 3) Acceptable whenever you feel like it. #3 is what a lot of liberal people today are arguing for (you have the right to do whatever you want with your body). I would say the reason you don't commit suicide is to stay in hukum (will of God). Also, if you think you can avoid punishment of karma by killing yourself, you are mistaken, because you'll get sent into another life to get the karma punishment again, plus more for having killed yourself.

That sounds good. I know mixing them up can change the taste profile, but sometimes it's just a convenient way of getting a wider range of nutrients. Man, all this talk has got me craving gobi pakoray.

If you want to make the cheese sauce a bit special and different fry some simla peppers and onions gently (until the former are soft and the later caramelised) and throw these into the cheese sauce - it really amps up the flavour!

you could try doing this if you want bread and butter pud https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/how-make-bread-butter-pudding-third-fat

Thanks, that's a brilliant post that's got me thinking about a lot. So basically I've got to de-program and unlearn everything pertaining to this issue, that's been drummed into me since childhood as a result of being born in the West, and then re-learn it from the Eastern perspective? Oh god, lol.

Bro, there is a real straight forward explanation for this in my opinion (and I have tried to research it, so it's not just a hunch): It was the Singh Sabha lehar that changed Sikh literature in this way. If you look at pre-annexation Sikh literature, they don't have any qualms with writing about stuff that we'd find shocking today. Rattan Singh Bhangu's work is a perfect example. I believe that conservative Christian influence on many of the prominent people of the lehar (through their education in British institutes), as well the famously 'repressed' nature of Victorian society (which ruled us at the time) seeped into their psyches, and they became ashamed of a lot of what our ancestors did - and completely wrote it out of their published (and very popular) histories. That's why you have this weird whitewashed conceptualisation of our ancestors which doesn't remotely reflect the nature of our society today and contradicts so many pre-annexation sources.