All Religions Are Not Equal...

[Jaspaul Singh]

Define Equality Mann kaum.  What you have described is the obvious difference between the practices of Religions and most of those have become empty rituals with no understanding of their purpose and intent. 

Equality of Religion lie in the roots of its Founders.  Tell me which Founder(s) of Religions you have spoke about does not Speak of Compassion/Love/Tolerence/Patience?  Which can be complete opposite of what the practioner of the religioin practice. 

Do not look at the ignorence, misunderstanding of the Practitioner, but instead look deep within the Religion to the Founders and you will find something that is equally preached  in every religion.  Do not just look at the words and conclude, but experience the Words.  Seek the one who has risen above all Religions and then you will come to find the equality on which all religions function.

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Nice post ! <_< :wub: :wub:

[smartsingh24]

the thing I see wrong with this, is that you aren't pointing out that all religions aren't created equally. What I see, is that you're looking at the followers. But, that's me. I think that sikhi isn't the only way to reach god, just the best way. And people oughta stop using gurbani quotes that talk of other religions, because there is a two fold reason for it. One, it will give other people of other faiths, a bad idea about this forum. Also, there's at least one other quote I know of that says disregarding other religions is wrong, and the person that does it is a fool.

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

im basing my view on the religious scriptures of each faith. Read the vedas and tell me what it preaches, read the whole quran and tell me there are no stories about how women captured in war should be treated?

don't tell me Muslims don't believe the koran to be the word of God.

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

[al-Baqarah 2:125] We have rendered the shrine (the Ka`aba) a focal point for the people, and a safe sanctuary. You may use Abraham's shrine as a prayer house. We commissioned Abraham and Ismail: "You shall purify My house for those who visit, those who live there, and those who bow and

prostrate."

[al-Baqarah 2:158] The knolls of Safa and Marwah are among the rites decreed by GOD. Anyone who observes Hajj or `Umrah commits no error by traversing the distance between them. If one volunteers more righteous works, then GOD is Appreciative, Omniscient.

[al-Baqarah 2:189] They ask you about the phases of the moon! Say, "They provide a timing device for the people, and determine the time of Hajj." It is not righteous to beat around the bush; righteousness is attained by upholding the commandments and by being straightforward. You shall observe GOD, that you may succeed.

[al-Baqarah 2:196] You shall observe the complete rites of Hajj and `Umrah for GOD. If you are prevented, you shall send an offering, and do not resume cutting your hair until your offering has reached its destination. If you are ill, or suffering a head injury (and you must cut your hair), you shall expiate by fasting, or giving to charity, or some other form of worship. During the normal Hajj, if you break the state of Ihraam (sanctity) between `Umrah and Hajj, you shall expiate by offering an animal sacrifice. If you cannot afford it, you shall fast three days during Hajj and seven when you return home - this completes ten -provided you do not live at the Sacred Masjid. You shall observe GOD, and know that GOD is strict in enforcing retribution.

[al-Baqarah 2:197] Hajj shall be observed in the specified months. Whoever sets out to observe Hajj shall refrain from sexual intercourse, misconduct, and arguments throughout Hajj. Whatever good you do, GOD is fully aware thereof. As you prepare your provisions for the journey, the best provision is righteousness. You shall observe Me, O you who possess intelligence.

[al-Baqarah 2:198] You commit no error by seeking provisions from your Lord (through commerce). When you file from `Arafaat, you shall commemorate GOD at the Sacred Location (of Muzdalifah). You shall commemorate Him for guiding you; before this, you had gone astray.

[al-Baqarah 2:199] You shall file together, with the rest of the people who file, and ask GOD for forgiveness. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[al-Baqarah 2:200-201] Once you complete your rites, you shall continue to commemorate GOD as you commemorate your own parents, or even better. Some people would say, "Our Lord, give us of this world," while having no share in the Hereafter. [2:201] Others would say, "Our Lord, grant us righteousness in this world, and righteousness in the Hereafter, and spare us the retribution of Hell."

[al-Baqarah 2:203] You shall commemorate GOD for a number of days (in Mena); whoever hastens to do this in two days commits no sin, and whoever stays longer commits no sin, so long as righteousness is maintained. You shall observe GOD, and know that before Him you will be gathered.

[Al-Imran 3:96-97] The most important shrine established for the people is the one in Becca; a blessed beacon for all the people. In it are clear signs: the station of Abraham. Anyone who enters it shall be granted safe passage. The people owe it to GOD that they shall observe Hajj to this shrine, when they can afford it. As for those who disbelieve, GOD does not need anyone.

[al-Ma'idah 5:1] O you who believe, you shall fulfill your covenants. Permitted for you to eat are the livestock, except those specifically prohibited herein. You shall not permit hunting throughout Hajj pilgrimage. GOD decrees whatever He wills.

[al-Ma'idah 5:2] O you who believe, do not violate the rites instituted by GOD, nor the Sacred Months, nor the animals to be offered, nor the garlands marking them, nor the people who head for the Sacred Shrine (Ka`bah) seeking blessings from their Lord and approval. Once you complete the pilgrimage, you may hunt. Do not be provoked into aggression by your hatred of people who once prevented you from going to the Sacred Masjid. You shall cooperate in matters of righteousnessand piety; do not cooperate in matters that are sinful and evil. You shall observe GOD. GOD is strict in enforcing retribution.

[al-Ma'idah 5:94] O you who believe, GOD will test you with some game within reach of your hands and your arrows (during pilgrimage). GOD thus distinguishes those among you who observe Him in their privacy. Those who transgress after this have incurred a painful retribution.

[al-Ma'idah 5:95] O you who believe, do not kill any game during pilgrimage. Anyone who kills any game on purpose, his fine shall be a number of livestock animals that is equivalent to the game animals he killed. The judgment shall be set by two equitable people among you. They shall make sure that the offerings reach the Ka`bah. Otherwise, he may expiate by feeding poor people, or by an equivalent fast to atone for his offense. GOD has pardoned past offenses. But if anyone returns to such an offense, GOD will avenge it. GOD is Almighty, Avenger.

[al-Ma'idah 5:96] All fish of the sea are made lawful for you to eat. During pilgrimage, this may provide for you during your journey. You shall not hunt throughout the pilgrimage. You shall reverence GOD, before whom you will be summoned.

[bara'ah 9:2] Therefore, roam the earth freely for four months, and know that you cannot escape from GOD, and that GOD humiliates the disbelievers.

Bara'ah 9:36] The count of months, as far as GOD is concerned, is twelve. This has been GOD's law, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls (by fighting) during the Sacred Months. However, you may declare all-out war against the idol worshipers (even during the Sacred Months), when they declare all-out war against you, and know that GOD is on the side of the righteous.

[bara'ah 9:37] Altering the Sacred Months is a sign of excessive disbelief; it augments the straying of those who have disbelieved. They alternate the Sacred Months and the regular months, while preserving the number of months consecrated by GOD. They thus violate what GOD has consecrated. Their evil works are adorned in their eyes. GOD does not guide the disbelieving people.

[al-Hajj 22:26-27] We appointed Abraham to establish the Shrine: "You shall not idolize any other god beside Me, and purify My shrine for those who visit it, those who live near it, and those who bow and prostrate."And proclaim that the people shall observe Hajj pilgrimage. They will come to you walking or riding on various exhausted (means of transportation). They will come from the farthest locations."

[al-Hajj 22:28-29] They may seek commercial benefits, and they shall commemorate GOD's name during the specified days for providing them with livestock. "Eat therefrom and feed the despondent and the poor." They shall complete their obligations, fulfill their vows, and visit the ancient shrine.

[al-Hajj 22:33] The (livestock) provide you with many benefits for a period, before being donated to the ancient shrine.

[al-Hajj 22:36] The animal offerings are among the rites decreed by GOD for your own good. You shall mention GOD's name on them while they are standing in line. Once they are offered for sacrifice, you shall eat therefrom and feed the poor and the needy. This is why we subdued them for you, that you may show your appreciation.

[al-Fath 48:27] GOD has fulfilled His messenger's truthful vision: "You will enter the Sacred Masjid, GOD willing, perfectly secure, and you will cut your hair or shorten it (as you fulfill the pilgrimage rituals) there. You will not have any fear. Since He knew what you did not know, He has coupled this with an immediate victory."

Sura 22 is called Al-Hajj. Read the whole Sura, click here.

http://www.hajj.ca/quran.html

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)

Total Verses: 75

Revealed At: MADINA

Maududi's introduction

And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve,

4. Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).

5. Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

6. And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.

7. How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.

8. How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.

http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/qur...all/surah9.html

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

(Surah 55:52-66-)

http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/qur...ll/surah55.html

(women promised in heaven)

Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

52. Wherein is every kind of fruit in pairs.

53. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

54. Reclining upon couches lined with silk brocade, the fruit of both the gardens near to hand.

55. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

56. Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them.

57. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

58. (In beauty) like the jacynth and the coral-stone.

59. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

60. Is the reward of goodness aught save goodness ?

61. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

62. And beside them are two other gardens,

63. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

64. Dark green with foliage.

65. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

66. Wherein are two abundant springs.

67. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

68. Wherein is fruit, the date-palm and pomegranate.

69. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

70. Wherein (are found) the good and beautiful -

71. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ? -

72. Fair ones, close-guarded in pavilions -

73. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ? -

74. Whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them -

75. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

76. Reclining on green cushions and fair carpets.

77. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny ?

78. Blessed be the name of thy Lord, Mighty and glorious!

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/yv/yv02.htm

animal sacrife taught by yajur veda sacred hindu scripture

KANDA II

PRAPATHAKA I

The Special Animal Sacrifices

ii. 1. 1.

He who desires prosperity should offer a white (beast) to Vayu; Vayu is the swiftest deity; verily he has recourse to him with his own share; verily he makes him attain prosperity; he prospers. 'He is an overswift deity,' they say, 'he has power to burn him up.' This (beast) he should offer to Vayu of the team; the team is his support; verily, being supported he attains prosperity to avoid being burnt; he prospers [1]. He who desires a village should offer to Vayu of the team; Vayu leads these creatures tied by the nose; verily he has recourse to Vayu of the team with his own share; verily he assigns him creatures led by the nose; he becomes possessed of a village. It is offered to (Vayu) of the team; verily he makes creatures abide steadfast with him. He who desires offspring should offer to Vayu of the team; Vayu is expiration, the team is inspiration; expiration and inspiration depart from the offspring of him [2] who being fit for offspring yet obtains not offspring. Verily he has recourse to Vayu of the team with his own share; verily he for him begets offspring by means of expiration and inspiration; he obtains offspring. He who has long been ill should offer to Vayu of the team; Vayu is expiration, the team is inspiration, expiration and inspiration depart from him whose illness is long. Verily he has recourse to Vayu of the team with his own share [3], he bestows on him expiration and inspiration; even if his life be gone, he yet lives. Prajapati was here alone; he desired, 'May I create offspring and cattle'; he took out from his body the omentum, and placed it in the fire. The hornless goat then came to life; he offered it to its own deity; then did he create offspring and cattle. He who desires offspring [4] and cattle should offer to Prajapati a hornless goat. Verily he has recourse to Prajapati with his own share; verily he begets for him offspring and cattle. The beard is the characteristic of man, the lack of horns of the horse, having incisors on one side only that of cattle, having sheep-like hooves that of sheep, the goat-nature that of goats; so many are the domesticated animals; verily by their characteristics he wins them [5]. He who desires cattle should offer one of a triplet to Soma and Pusan; the she-goat has two teats, two are born separately, the third for strength and growth. Verily he has recourse to Soma and Pusan with their own share; verily they produce cattle for him; Soma is the depositor of seed, Pusan the producer of cattle; Soma deposits seeds for him, Pusan produces cattle. The sacrificial post is of Udumbara; the Udumbara is strength, cattle are strength; verily by strength he wins for him strength and cattle.

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

worship of fire (agni) Rig veda

HYMN XIII. Agni.

1. BRING song and hymn to Agni, Asura-slayer, enlightener of all and thought-bestower.

Like an oblation on the grass, to please him, I bring this to Vaisvanara, hymn-inspirer.

2 Thou with thy flame, O Agni, brightly glowing, hast at thy birth filled full the earth and heaven.

TIOU with thy might, Vaisvanara Jatavedas, settest the Gods free frodi the curse that bound them.

3 Agni, when, born thou lookedst on all creatures, like a brisk herdsman moving round his cattle.

The path to prayer, Vaisvanara, thou foundest. Ye Gods, preserve us evermore with blessings.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv07013.htm

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

pheena you spoke of the founders well i can't give you any better source than the Muslim's koran. It talks about pilgrimages, war, and heaven. So where did the followers go wrong, when they started following the koran?

where did the hindus go wrong, when they followed the vedas?

you said don't judge by the followers but by the founders ok i am doing that.

[Harnam Kaur]

good post <_<