guru gobind singh vs shivaji

[Mehtab Singh]

In the history of India, no Indian king has attacked another country. Maharaja Ranjit Singh kicked out Afghanis and Pathaans all the way to their hoods in Kabul and dropped those dudes home for good, never to set foot in Punjab (and therefore enter India) ever again.

Shivaji (all respect to the brave man) didn't launch any invasion on any foreign lands ruled by non-Indians outside India in order to safeguard his homeland.

[curious_man]

but then y didnt maharaja ranjit singh kicked off britshers too???

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

The British were very scared of Ranjit Singh. They knew that they would suffer the biggest defeat if they even dared to look at Punjab wrong while his reign was intact. So they waited until he died to invade. Thus, the British were only invading India after the death of Ranjit Singh.

[curious_man]

i got ure point veerji...

but like he kicked the afghans back.....why didnt he kicked the britishers back???

[H4RPAL]

Might be wrong here, but this is my view:

The British were of no large concern to him or his kingdom, in fact if there was any fear, it was on the part of the British that Maharaja Ranjeet Singh would want to expand his kingdom into their territory.

The Afghans entered India through the Khyber Pass, and into Punjab, which is why they were sent back to the lands from which they came (I beliieve the duty was given to Hari Singh Nalwa to take this land and thus prevent invasion in this manner)- this was not the route the British took into India, and thus they were not interfering with any territory inder Maharaja Ranjit Singh.

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Hari Singh Nalwa sent three letters to Ranjit Singh to take care of dogras and british. Akali Foola Singh also warned Ranjit Singh. He was too obsessed with dogras and british. He listened to dogras. Ranjit Singh was told by Hari Singh Nalwa that we should fght the british send them packing. Hari Singh Nalwa told Ranjit Singh that british are waiting for his and Ranjit Singh's death. Ranjit didn't listen. He listened to what dogras said. Dogras were agents of british. Hari Singh also told Ranjit Singh that it is the Khalsa rule amd should be ruled by 5 pyaras after Ranjit Singh and not by one of his sons. Some historians say Ranjit Singh played a part indeath of Hari Nalwa. The question is what was the military doing at Naunihal Singh's birthday when they should have been defending the border against Pathans. Hari Singh sent a letter to Ranjit Singh to send the army back but he didn't.

[Balwinder Singh]

Even shiva ji's guru swami ramdass learned from shri guru hargobind sahib,

"Guru Hargobind now undertook extensive travels. The Guru founded the town of Kiratpur in 1626 where the land had been gifted to the Guru by one of the princes who had been freed from Gwalior by the Guru. While visiting Srinagar the Guru had a discourse with Swami Ramdas Samrath a great spiritual teacher who would later go on to instruct Shivaji, the founder of the Maratha empire. Swami Ramdas asked the Guru "You are on the spiritual throne of Guru Nanak, a great Saint. You are wearing arms and maintain troops and horses. You allow yourself to be addressed as Sachcha Padsah, the True King. What sort of saint are you?" Guru Hargobind replied, "I display royalty only from the outside; inwardly, I'm detached like a hermit. Guru Nanak had not renounced the world. He had only renounced maya (illusion and ego)." The Swami answered that this idea appealed to him and thus he thereafter changed his teachings of hindu renunciation."

http://www.sikhs.org/guru6.htm

[ravindersidhu]

At Sri Nagar (Garhwal) Sant Ramdas Samrath, the spiritual guide to Shivaji Marhatta met Guru Hargobind. The Sant seeing the Guru's regal splendour and ornaments, expressed doubts that 'an heir to the throne of Guru Nanak, the ascetic - and in this attire?'. The Guru convinced him by saying that words do not make an ascetic or disguise can make one rich. Weapons are for the protection of the poor and a mark of the valiant

now you know where it started for shivaji

but he stodd for stuff

Guru Ji never occupied any land or anything in all the battles he won

you can read abt this at

http://allaboutsikhs.com/gurus/guruhargobindi3.htm

[Mehtab Singh]

i think the british got hold of punjab only after ranjit singh's death, i could be wrong...

[S1ngh]

Yes thats right british got ahold of Punjab after ranjit singh passed away by natural death. The reason mahraja didn't kicked british out of India (that time Punjab was not part of india) because ranjit singh kingdom/army was HUGE and Brave because of his leadership even though dogray brothers couldn't do much harm as long as ranjit singh was alive. After he passed away, everything fall apart and Rani Jindan kaur's family was butchered in front of everyone and thus the "thirst to have seat" got killed the Sikh raj and made the way for British to enter Punjab.

Another reason i can see was that Raja Ranjit Singh was huge fan of Westernized ppls, i read from some book that he used to adore and get all goody up by hearing stuff outside of India world, like their languages, customs/cultures and inventions etc.. This was also the reason Raja Ranjit singh was in good terms with british but british kept ranjit Singh and his kingdom in dark by giving bribes and corrupting some of ranjit singh's office ppls (dogra was on their payrol).

Shivaji might be the great warrior but not as great as countless of warriors in Sikh History. Shivaji being hindu is famous in history books of India but Sikh warriors such Hari Singh Nalwa couldn't even find a one paragraph bio in any indian school history books. So that makes sense.. Getting popular by the religion plays important role in saying that "If he is famous then he must be MUCH higher than all of others"

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