Are We Just As Bad As Them? :-(

[ranj03]

I dont want to admit it, but sikhi youths are heading down a slippery slope

Undoubtly, we are seeing more and more sikhi youth smoking drugs and drinking alchohl, at colleges, schools and parks. But then comes vaisakhi day, and there they all are, first to parade their flags and banners of sikhi. Hypocrites? I think so.

The old myth that only others smoke and "session" is a thing of the past, sadly for many sikhi people today. Even loyal sikhi youths who once knew the meaning of khalsa are sadly fading away, as more of our youngsters are being exposed to this new so called "hype" of sessioning and smoking canabbis.

Unless fast, and i mean "fast" help is given to these so called representatives of our faith, we may end up like the others of this world, just totally society conscience people who totally lack any respect for their true name (singhs and kaurs)

WJKK WJKF

Ranj.

"Always set the trail for other young siks, Never follow the trail of others in our society"

[fists_of_fury]

im a young blood 16 90% of sikhs nowdays all "session up" + "bun up" etc let them get on with it, half them just watch tooo many 50 cent vids and think they g's. they knows it bad for them but if they feel the need to do that stuff to "fit in" LET IT BE, one thing i noticed if ur mind is strong cant NO ONE CHANGE U. :TH:

[shanti]

I believe we all play a role in this..without guidance and support from peers where do our youth (of any race or ethnicity) learn good values?

Theres a difference between preaching and educating.

Sum of the so called "good" Sikhs, in my opinion are too preachy and fanatic.

Personally from my own point of view (im not saying my view is right jus opinion) i think the MAIN issue with Sikh youths today is they are missing the sense of belonging.

The ones born in the UK are brought up more or less Punjabi with very minimal Sikh education due to their parents.

There is a huge difference between being a Punjabi and a Sikh and i dont agree you can be both...or even all three....for eg you hear kids say im A British Punjabi Sikh...like waaaaaaaaaa????? imagine rasing a kid with three identities!!

Oh yeah and then we have the parents who still celebrate Hindu traditions..but still call themself a Singh or a Kaur.......i think we can see where the confusion is coming from..even this post is getting confusing

What we need is peers who love Sikhi for the religion it is and value it greatly to stand up and show how they can help.......we need more education...and we can all play a part in this by starting up youth groups..by teaching young children songs and Janamsakhis....by teaching them the importance of our Gurus crown...by teaching them that our banis are a gift and Sikhi itself is a treasure that should be cherished.

I think then up and coming kids will embrace Sikhism in a whole more positive way and they will then grow up knowing their true identity and be able to say I AM A SIKH!!!! and isnt that what we all want....

so the motto of this lesson is "TAKE A DIET PILL ON PUNJABISMS AND ONLY EAT KHALSA" :doh: (i dunno wheeeeeeeere on earth that came from )

SAT NAM (truth is my identity)

[Paneet]

I don't think we can call them Sikhs, if they're as bad as that. Maybe one time they were, but once they go down that path I don't think they can possibly represent our faith anymore.

Personally, I don't like to worry about these things. I worry about what's gonna happen to the poor kids that have left their Sikh faith, but I don't want to worry about what's going to happen to our religion. Sometimes I do, but then I start thinking... why? What's the point? It's all in God's hands, and His plan is perfect. If our religion is meant to prosper, it will, but it's all up to Him.

[SSM]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

er...agreed...we do need to live and lead by example and maybe go talk to ppl who are going out of sikhi.

prob is some sikh youth dont even care what other sikh youth do.

I was so sad to hear from an aunt that she sees kesdhari sikhs smoking in clubs, I really didnt know this happened ....I'm not going to go into the : sikhs shouldn't be in clubs... but I will say: why do you wear a turban and have a uncut beard and smoke!?That too in a public place, have some shame.

Mind you, none of those singhs are likely to be on this forum so I don't know why I'm saying any of that.

Instead of getting angry at them or keeping away from them, I think we should approach them and as sikhs try to talk them out of it... it works.

I'm not saying stalk them but if you see someone doing something dodgy or u thnk they are then go talk to them, a few words.

Don't expect miracles but gradually they may stop.

But a lot of the youth I know will turn around and say 'I cant be bothered what that Singh is doing, thats his life'. Thats where I think we fall. Thats where we show that we are actually selfish although we think we are great sikhs cos we do 2hrs sewa at a local Gurdwara once a yr. How abt some direct sewa that will change someones entire life and save their soul? Without expecting any reward?

[ranj03]

Thank you so much :doh:

AT LEAST i know that not all of us have been swept away with social demands

WJKK WJKF

Ranj.

[TeraRoop11]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Sikhi will never die, no matter what may happen. Sikhs may remain, or may not flourish, it does not make a difference. There were only 100 Sikhs left alive on Earth at one point in time.

Look at us now.

It is important, yes, to bring back the misled, misinformed, or just straight up confused youth, to the path of Sikhi. However, it's quality, and not quantity, that we should focus on, yea? We should at least try to help out those of our brothers and sisters who have just begun to tread the path of the Khalsa, and get them set in their Sikhi, before trying to change the world. We must make ourselves worthy of teaching others.

If we've not the gyaan, who are we to preach?

So, instead of losing heart because of such things as youth smoking and drinking, indulging in relationships and other things which make us sad to see, we should devote ourselves even more to our One and Only Lord, whose, as Paneet Ji said, plan is perfect. Do not fret. Sikhi can nothing but flourish. It will never die, never will the Khalsa be gone.

Just believe. Guru Ji is with you every step of the way, to guide you, and inspire you. Just listen to His word, and everything will be alright.

bhull chuk maaf jiyo

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

[SSM]

I need to ask an important Q, important for me yeah?

Its a basic fact that Sikhi will always be alive :T:

I know we are not after quantity but quality, agreed.

But to all those that say we should worry about ourselves and let everyone else do what they want to cos they are not really sikhs anyway- can I just ask: as a Sikh is it not our duty to help everyone?

So if we think someone wants to or has a chance of getting into sikhi, should we still not bother with them? Just cos we should not bother abt numbers.. this has gotnothing to do with numbers , it is abt helping other souls join with God... it is not abt preaching to that level of a gyani... asking someone to go to the Gurdwara is a simple request, asking them not to smoke etc is not preaching to a level beyond us, its a simple request.

In one religion that I wont name, ppl think they will go to heaven if they bring ppl back to that religion or convince ppl to convert into it, so they do it for an reward. A sikh should not be interested in any rewards, for us that is not the way to get to heaven, so why should we bother helping other so called sikhs to get back to sikhi and Gurudwara?

well, if u got parents and ur bro and sis do not respect ur parents but u think they do have potential to show respect and love, then would u not try to help them get back with ur Father? Same applies here I think.

Here's two cases I came across:

1. amritdhari girl leaves sikhi to embrace ... the clubbing life... for me to even try to change her with Guru Ji's kirpa was too difficult, it would require me to proper preach to her, not a good idea for me as she would see me as some extremist so I just carried on with life as her mate not interested in her life.

2. mona sikh, goes clubbing but unhappy and wants to be happy, looks at me, think wow she is happy, i want to be happy. There Guru Ji did kirpa and I tried to help the person and they did start praying a lot, they still went clubbing but grad reduced it and in future I think this person has good chance of being really religious.

So if we come across person no.2 why should we not help them?

Just one reason why not?

Why cant u work on ur sikhi and still help others?

Is this not a great work/sewa?

[harvinder00]

hello everyone, my first post, I have only read a few of the posts, not all, so sorry if someone had already mentioned it.

I'm 17, and I see what is happening, people going out drinking ect. during school hours, with friends, they got they do it for a "laugh, socialise, bored" ect. most of them dont even like the taste of beer.

The problem i feel is, that the parents today don't keep a close enough eye on there children, do you know, what subjects you son/daughter is taking, who there friends are and what are they like?

if parents kept a close enough eye on there children, I doubt we would even be having this converstaion, Ive seen many good children who you woud'nt ever think would drink or anything like that, but it just takes one person to change someone, peer pressure. I have told some of the people in my year to stop, and its not good for them , 90% of them say," I know what im doing, i dont even have that much" two years later, there still drinking....

I'm not very relgious person my self, but I still dont like seeing any type of people drink or smoke, just for "IM BAD" reasons.

so if any of you lot have children about 14-17 and they go to school, you may not know it, but they might be drinking and you may know nothing about it. Talk to them, tell them why it is wrong, otherwise they will carry on doing what everyone else is.

Harvinder Singh

Most children these days are good seeds in bad soil. hanging around with the wrong crowd just becuase it is "popular"

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

it's all about sangat. If god blesses us with good sangat, bam no going wrong. Every Sikh youth has to make the effort to find good sangat...for people who say well there aren't many sikhs where i live good sangat can be muslims, christians, hindus whateva...i remember the coolest kids in high schoold were the ones who smoked and drank and everybody wanted to be their friends...