How Important Is It To Take Amrit ?

[Guest _Waheguru_]

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Jee Ki Fateh

im a little confused ... i just cant understand y cant have salvation without takin amrit ... i was hopin dat you guyz could help me out here

Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Jee Ki Fateh

[ms514 425]

Sat Sri Akal:

Warning: Manmukhi Vichaar may be inaccurate.

Sikhism, Amrit and Salvation:

Consider if you will that Sachkhand is a foreign country. You will need a passport to get in and a visa stamp. Amrit is that passport and the visa stamp is the Almighty's Kirpa (blessing). In which case Dharam Raaj is immigration.

Then again, maybe :wub::

[gupt_paapi 0]

lol imigration :wub:

Sikhs follow their Guru Ji's Orders. Therefore, to be a Sikh, you need Amrit.

Simple

[GuruManeyoGranth 20]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

We don't "take" Amrit. We beg for Amrit before Guroo Sahib. Guroo Sahib bestows this Gift and blessing upon His Sikhs. It's the best gift anyone could ever want - to become GurooWala, i.e., a Sikh of Guroo Granth Sahib Jee Maharaaj.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Waheguroo

[singh_comradz 87]

Sat Sri Akal:

Warning:  Manmukhi Vichaar may be inaccurate.

Sikhism, Amrit and Salvation:

Consider if you will that Sachkhand is a foreign country.  You will need a passport to get in and a visa stamp.  Amrit is that passport and the visa stamp is the Almighty's Kirpa (blessing).  In which case Dharam Raaj is immigration.

Then again, maybe  :wub::

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good example!

i've got another one lol

it's like going school up until graduation-10 years or so... and not taking amrit is like graduating but then finding out you haven't enrolled at the start so the degree is meaningless.

[gupt_paapi 0]

it's like going school up until graduation-10 years or so... and not taking amrit is like graduating but then finding out you haven't enrolled at the start so the degree is meaningless.

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2 make it clearer...

Amrit is lyk admission to the school of Sikhi.

No matter how much you study without admission, even if you are a A******* student, you wont get a official qualification. Why? Becuase you haven't enrolled in the first place!

Amrit = enrolling onto the path of Sikhi. People say "yeh we can folow rehit without amrit bla bla.. but at the end of day.. it wont be recognised as much as if u took amrit.

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A giani was doing katha on this too (i love him!! lol)

Imagine seva adn rehit as 0 and Amrit as 1.

Now lets so loadssa rehit adn seva without amrit...

00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

the value? 0

Now 1st take amrit THEN seva

10000000000000000000000000000000

THe more seva you do.. the more u benefit out of it! (add one 0 onto the end, you times the number by 10!)

:wub: hope i made sense

[japmans 4]

i don't think i agree with the above analogy.

how can anyone justify saying that seva and rehit has a 0 value?

[SSM 5]

Although I agree with Japmans I think what it means is hthis:

amrit shakna means that you get admission in school.

If you put hard work into the course then you benefit but if you got no admission and you put in hard work then it is of no use til the person gets admission.

I thought about the relevance of amrit and instead of getting into lots of detail lets think of the basics:-

Guru ji asked for amrit so if they asked for it then it must be invaluable.

[Guest Guest]

Quite simply you will get nowhere with your spirituality without Amrit.

In the Amrit Sanchar. Naam is given to you. You use this to meditate on and this is what will move your spirituality forward.

Without being blessed with Gurmantar, you will not be able to do Bhagti properly and will never spiritually reach anywhere.

[Jkaur 4]

How Important Is It To Take Amrit ?-> it is as important as to breath to continue living... to drink and eat to continue living..

and the above anology -> amrit shakna means that you get admission in school is why it is important to take amrit..

after getting the admission its the hard work that u put in that will yield results.. even if u work hard but u never get any admission to any school it will be worthless..

[Khalsa4ever 5]

Waheguroo jee ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo jee kee Fateh!

Analagies aside, the act of taking amrit is more importantly making a promise to your Guru. That's why there is a maryada that you must follow. By taking Amrit, you are going to your Guru and saying that "Your teachings are the best, so I promise to lead the life in the way that you have set for me, with your and Waheguroo's blessings"

If you can't take the step to make that kind of promise to your Guru, you won't be able to make it all the way spiritually.

Waheguroo jee ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo jee kee Fateh!

[japmans 4]

agreed. but i refuse to accept the argument that doing any meditation for spiritual benefit has a zero value because you're not amritdhari.

that's like saying we should not enocourage kids and young ones to do simran and seva and paath when they're young because it won't provide any spiritual benefit to them, if they're not amritdhari, and based on what khalsa4ever said, very few children can make the conscious decision about when the time is right in terms of saying

"Your teachings are the best, so I promise to lead the life in the way that you have set for me, with your and Waheguroo's blessings"

what about converts who come into sikhi. they'r enot amritdhari the day they decide to become sikhs, yet the arguments would sugest that they gain absolutely nothing by doing paath and seva while they're still learning!

so how can you make an argument like that ?

[ms514 425]

Sat Sri Akal:

Bhai Rama Singh Ji's autobiography describes how he, as a mona, was benefitting from meditation on the Mool Mantar. Had to have had some benefit...be became quite the Sikh.

[ParwinderSingh 6]

i don't think i agree with the above analogy.

how can anyone justify saying that seva and rehit has a 0 value?

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they arent justifying it or trying to prove it equals 0, they are trying to get a point across, you cannot give any value to seva, rehit or amrit accurately because we do not know it. But the example given is just to get an understanding across to the reader. I thought that was a wikid example.

[japmans 4]

an example is a good example when it accurately represents the situation. read the post i wrote after it for my opinion and an explanation of why i dont' agree