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Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji on the dera issue in punjab plz watch

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...60&hl=en-GB (Part 1 of 4)

They start talking about this at about 18mins.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...46&hl=en-GB (Part 2 of 4)

From about 22 mins onwards

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...81&hl=en-GB ( Part 3 of 4)

From about 23 mins to the end also throughout video 4

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...&hl=en-GB(4 of 4)

If you can spare the time please watch the whole divaan to get as much laha as possible.

Bhull Chuck Maaf Karnee

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VaheGuru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Kee Fateh

Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji on the dera issue in punjab plz watch

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...60&hl=en-GB (Part 1 of 4)

They start talking about this at about 18mins.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...46&hl=en-GB (Part 2 of 4)

From about 22 mins onwards

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...81&hl=en-GB ( Part 3 of 4)

From about 23 mins to the end also throughout video 4

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...&hl=en-GB(4 of 4)

If you can spare the time please watch the whole divaan to get as much laha as possible.

Bhull Chuck Maaf Karnee

*SARSE WALA SAADH GURU GOBIND SINGH NAHI BAN SAKDA*

Talwandi Slem (Nakoder Samagam - 19/05/2007)

-SANT BABA RANJIT SINGH JEE KHALSA DHADRIANWALE-

(Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Saahib Patiala) of Sree Nirvair Khalsa Dal (Jatha Dhadrian)

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-461117233586573860&hl=en-GB (Part 1 of 4)

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=377001457355595146&hl=en-GB (Part 2 of 4)

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=108204532292416881&hl=en-GB ( Part 3 of 4)

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8388430727423590196&hl=en-GB (Part 4 of 4)

...A recent live diwaan recording regarding the current state of affairs in Panjab concerning Pakhand "Dera Sacha Sauda" and "Raam Raheem Baba"...

d_oh.gif Vaheguroo Jee Kaa Khalsa, Vaheguroo Jee Kee Phateh!!! d_oh.gif

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Amritsar: In the Dera-Sikh controversy, the Sikh high priests are mulling their next course of action after receiving a letter of apology from Dera chief, Baba Ram Rahim. Five top priests of Sikh Gurudwara committees will give out a statement after a meeting in Amritsar on Tuesday.

Dera Sacha Sauda chief Baba Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh issued a letter on Sunday, in which he apologised to the 17th century Sikh Guru Gobind Singh for imitating his dress.

However, Dera's chief’s “reluctant” apology has not gone down well with the Sikh clergy. The hardliners among Sikhs are fuming because the apology is addressed to Guru Gobind Singh and not to the Akal Takht.

It thus seems unlikely that the stand off between the Sikh clergy and the Dera is going to be resolved soon.

“This apology is a clever move by the Baba because he wants us to raise an objection. He needs to apologise to the Akal Takth and not to Guru Gobind Singh,” said Jathedar Nandgarh Head priest Damdama Gurudwara.

The Sikh clergy says it’s unfortunate that the CBI hasn’t filed a status report on its investigation into the murder and rape charges against Baba Ram Rahim—who is accused of murders of Dera manager Ranjit Singh and journalist RC Chhatrapati. CBI has asked the court time till July 31st.

The Akal Takht had demanded action on a CBI report against the Dera by May 30. But the report itself has not been submitted. Going by present indications, it’s seem it will to take more than just one meeting of the Akal Takht for an acceptance of the apology

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Dera vs Sikhs

Akal Takht dissatisfied with apology

Agencies

Posted online: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 1922 hours IST

Updated: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 2037 hours IST

Amritsar, May 29: The Akal Takht, the supreme temporal and spiritual body of Sikhs, tonight expressed dissatisfaction with the apology tendered by Dera Sacha Sauda head Gurmeet Ram Raheem Singh, accused of blasphemy, saying the gesture was "a shrewed tactic to divert attention".

In conflict with the Dera chief for his alleged imitation of Sikh Guru Gobind Singh, the five Sikh high priests, at a meeting here, said the social boycott of Dera followers announced by them would continue.

A resolution adopted at the meeting said the apology given by the Dera chief to Guru Gobind Singh on Sunday night was "not graceful in language and spirit".

The priests said the apology was "no more than a shrewd tactic of the Dera Chief to divert attention from the fact that he himself is not forthcoming with the apology but is instead trying to hide behind nameless followers".

The Takht described the Dera chief as "shrewd and egoistic".

"When the apology is sincere and from the core of the heart, then the Guru (Gobind Singh) is magnanimous to forgive.

"If he has sincerely apologized, then the Guru would forgive him," the resolution said adding "but he has worded the apology in a cunning manner".

"God always pardons the guilty", the Sikh priests said.

The Akal Takht meeting presided by Jathedar Joginder Singh Vedanti said if the Dera Chief and his followers had expressed the apology from the core of their heart to Guru Gobind Singh, the creator of Khalsa Panth (Sikh religion) would forgive them.

"If they have indulged in mischief, the Guru would take care of them," it said.

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