Is Waheguru Naam?

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qpq kVwhw buiJ gieAw guir sIql nwmu dIE ]1] rhwau ] (1002-16, mwrU, mÚ 5)

The boiling cauldron has cooled down; the Guru has blessed me with the cooling, soothing Naam, the Name of the Lord. ||1||Pause||

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I have been told that 'waheguru' is the Naam for us. However, at many places there is mention of one being blessed with Naam.One of the example is above.

What is the meaning of the line and what is the meaning , specifically, of 'The guru has blessed me ...............name of lord.'

Kindly clarify.

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[GurBaani]

May god help you...

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Thanks a lot for your informative reply and that was nicely presented. I think half the problem is over.As you have confirmed that 'waheguru' is the naam it stands to little logic that I have is to ask what would the lines mean where SGGS has a reference that Nanak is blessed with the Naam and the same is given by the Almighty.

Also there is a claim the he has met the God. How is it possible as he is formless. How can a human being meet someone who is formless and further the god is dewcribed as beautiful. How can a formless thing be beautiful.

Hope these questions will also be attended to,.

Regards to all.

[japmans]

besoft veerji

i think your question can be answered through anand sahib, the pauri towards the end

eh netro meriho, har tum kai jot dhari, har bin avar na dekho koee

har bin avar na dekho koee nadri har nihaaliya

eho ves sansaar tum dekhday, eho har ka roop hai, har roop nadri aaya

gurprasaadi bujjhiya jaa vekha har ek hai, har binn avar na koee

kahai nanak eh netr andh say, satgur milliyai dribdrisht hoee

in paritcular the last line....

through lines about khand brahmandd, we know that there's countles realms and dimensions in this world, but we're attuned only to the ones where we see physical objects. That doesn't mean others do not exist. In our tunnel vision, we think that we have achieved something, and therefore if we can't see God, then "obviously", no one else must be able to either. Ego quickly comes into play, and soon you're nothing more than skin and bones with little ACTUAL spirituality within you. that's the power of ego.

but back on track: the whole pauri i think addresses your question, but in particular the last two lines.

how did guru nanak "meet god"?

gurprasaadi bujjhiya....

and how can you meet something that's formless? well formelss for your average Tom <admin-profanity filter activated> and Harjinder maybe, but once you've been blessed with Gurprasaad, then

eh netr andh say, satgur milliyai dribdrisht hoee.....

so through gurprasaad, then

"jaa vekha har ek hai, har binn avar na koee"... (this would be when not only do we talk as if we see god in all and everything, but actually spiritually experience and realize it.. when "jeh jeh pekho, teh hajoor, door kathaun naahi" is actually real)

and then eh netr andh say, satgur milliyai dribdrisht hoee..i was blind before, i wasn't attentive, i wasn't blessed, i that only what i could see existed, but in effect there's so much more beyond it, so much more... but through gurprasaad, (and you would defniitely have to read all of the pauris of anand sahib for true, proper context of this particular pauri), Satguru Nanak has realized God... He is no longer blind.

also let's not do literal translations... i don't think "Mill" HAS to equal the physical meeting that we have between person and person... for analogy's sake, alot of students now use things like MSN as a tool for having group meetings... in effect no one is actually meeting each other, but we all know the other is there, we are all engaging directly with them.. yet technically, other than letters on a screen, they have "no form"... that's a very crude analogy, and not exactly a refined one etiher, but basically... don't believe that since YOU nor I, nor Harjit, or Baljeet (random names :D ) can see God, then HE does not exist... that'd be false... when guru nanak sahib uses Mill, the darshan is purely spiritual emotional and mental, and physical in the sense of that line up there (eho ves sansaar tum dekhday, eho har kaa roop hai, har roop nadri aaya.) and of course, let's not forget Guru Granth Sahib Ji's partakh saroop. When you've been given that gurprasaad, having guru granth sahib ji's darshan probably actually means something!!! instead of most of us who go do a quick matha tekh, maybe a small ardaas, sit, and then forget about it for the rest of the day... or we don't take Guru Granth Sahib saroop as seriously... or we have to force ourselves to take Saroop seriously...

imagine, if you could TRULY actually REALLY see God's jyot in every single human being, i'm sure you would also believe "vaah.. this world is beautiful"... but when we tangled up in ros and haumai, we're much more concerned about ourselves than "GOD".

If only we could all have that gurprasaad!

[munjoth]

Naam is the voice of god, this voice of god in gurbani is referred to as anhad shabad, anhad bani, sehaj dhun, sacha shabad, panch shabad. This NAAM can only be heard no sant/sadhu/brahamgyani/bhagat/gurmukh can give u this naam only the satguru can. In order to get to this naam we must japp the gurmanter (vaheguru) in occordance to the jugtis bestowed in satguru guru granth sahib jis bani.

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besoft veerji

i think your question can be answered through anand sahib, the pauri towards the end

eh netro meriho, har tum kai jot dhari, har bin avar na dekho koee

har bin avar na dekho koee nadri har nihaaliya[ 1]

eho ves sansaar tum dekhday, eho har ka roop hai, har roop nadri aaya

gurprasaadi bujjhiya jaa vekha har ek hai, har binn avar na koee

kahai nanak eh netr andh say, satgur milliyai dribdrisht hoee [2]

in paritcular the last line....

through lines about khand brahmandd, we know that there's countles realms and dimensions in this world, but we're attuned only to the ones where we see physical objects. That doesn't mean others do not exist. In our tunnel vision, we think that we have achieved something, and therefore if we can't see God, then "obviously", no one else must be able to either. Ego quickly comes into play, and soon you're nothing more than skin and bones with little ACTUAL spirituality within you. that's the power of ego.

but back on track: the whole pauri i think addresses your question, but in particular the last two lines.

how did guru nanak "meet god"?

gurprasaadi bujjhiya....

and how can you meet something that's formless? well formelss for your average Tom <admin-profanity filter activated> and Harjinder maybe, but once you've been blessed with Gurprasaad, then

eh netr andh say, satgur milliyai dribdrisht hoee.....

so through gurprasaad, then

"jaa vekha har ek hai, har binn avar na koee"... (this would be when not only do we talk as if we see god in all and everything, but actually spiritually experience and realize it.. when "jeh jeh pekho, teh hajoor, door kathaun naahi" is actually real)

and then eh netr andh say, satgur milliyai dribdrisht hoee..i was blind before, i wasn't attentive, i wasn't blessed, i that only what i could see existed, but in effect there's so much more beyond it, so much more... but through gurprasaad, (and you would defniitely have to read all of the pauris of anand sahib for true, proper context of this particular pauri), Satguru Nanak has realized God... He is no longer blind.

also let's not do literal translations... i don't think "Mill" HAS to equal the physical meeting that we have between person and person... for analogy's sake, alot of students now use things like MSN as a tool for having group meetings... in effect no one is actually meeting each other, but we all know the other is there, we are all engaging directly with them.. yet technically, other than letters on a screen, they have "no form"... that's a very crude analogy, and not exactly a refined one etiher, but basically... don't believe that since YOU nor I, nor Harjit, or Baljeet (random names :D ) can see God, then HE does not exist... that'd be false... when guru nanak sahib uses Mill, the darshan is purely spiritual emotional and mental, and physical in the sense of that line up there (eho ves sansaar tum dekhday, eho har kaa roop hai, har roop nadri aaya.) and of course, let's not forget Guru Granth Sahib Ji's partakh saroop. When you've been given that gurprasaad, having guru granth sahib ji's darshan probably actually means something!!! instead of most of us who go do a quick matha tekh, maybe a small ardaas, sit, and then forget about it for the rest of the day... or we don't take Guru Granth Sahib saroop as seriously... or we have to force ourselves to take Saroop seriously...

imagine, if you could TRULY actually REALLY see God's jyot in every single human being, i'm sure you would also believe "vaah.. this world is beautiful"... but when we tangled up in ros and haumai, we're much more concerned about ourselves than "GOD".

If only we could all have that gurprasaad!

1. Eh netr mero har tum meh jot dhari,............

It is understood that HE has put the vision in the eyes. Nest line speaks that har bin avar na dekho koi......repeat.......

Question: God has given the eye but the purpose is also stipulated that is we are not to see anyone else.Please correct me. I shall not speculate on the meaning elase the thread becomes meaning less.

2.Eh neter andh say..satguru milaye dribdusht hovaya.....

Ok. The question that I shall ask you is the meaning Of satgur...meeting whom the vision becomes dribdrisht.

Is satgur God here.?Please answer in the context.

If yes, then we are taliking of the stage when we have met the GOD. This is not our stage.

Contd...

The biggest thing is Gurprasad i.e nadar or the grace of God. Well it is amorphous term. No one knows the criterion when there would be Glance of HIS grace....Thus the question of vision becoming drib- drisht is not solved.It is dependent upon HIM.

Please not I have not asked as to how Guru ji met HIM.

Primary question is how a formless can look beautiful to anyone .Your answer is Drib-drishth.It is dependent upon HIS grace. Every thing comes back to HIM.

Thanks for wonderful treatment ,Sir. I am oblidged.

My allied question was why Nanak ji is asking for NAAM as per the SGGS when the Naam is 'waheguru' as confirmed in the post above yours.KIndly be grateful to answer.i.e what is the reference to naam in SGGS ji.

Thanks and regards again.

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Naam is the voice of god, this voice of god in gurbani is referred to as anhad shabad, anhad bani, sehaj dhun, sacha shabad, panch shabad. This NAAM can only be heard no sant/sadhu/brahamgyani/bhagat/gurmukh can give u this naam only the satguru can. In order to get to this naam we must japp the gurmanter (vaheguru) in occordance to the jugtis bestowed in satguru guru granth sahib jis bani.

Naam is voice Of God.Kindly confirm ? Why should GOD create a voice.Naam is given by Satguru...i.e by the GOD..

Then 'wahegutu' is not the Naam as per that you have stated. Is it so?

I am confused.I stop here in anticipation that you would kindly clarify this.

[munjoth]

Naam is voice Of God.Kindly confirm ?

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Yes: tera mukra sohava sehaj dhun bani

Why should GOD create a voice.

^^ This is like asking why did god create this universe, this world, this body, this trigun maya. Everything belongs to god he can do as he pleases. All we can do is listen to the naam that is very anand

Naam is given by Satguru...i.e by the GOD

^^

Yes this is correct.

Then 'wahegutu' is not the Naam as per that you have stated. Is it so?

^^

vaheguru is the MANTER given by the guru, guru nanak dev ji. so VAHEGURU = gurmanter, the purpose of this manter is to lead us to the NAAM (anhad shabad).

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Thanks a lot for your informative reply and that was nicely presented. I think half the problem is over.As you have confirmed that 'waheguru' is the naam it stands to little logic that I have is to ask what would the lines mean where SGGS has a reference that Nanak is blessed with the Naam and the same is given by the Almighty.

Also there is a claim the he has met the God. How is it possible as he is formless. How can a human being meet someone who is formless and further the god is dewcribed as beautiful. How can a formless thing be beautiful.

Hope these questions will also be attended to,.

Regards to all.

Waheguru...

Ji, I felt like I was loaded with heavy questions...Just looking at them made my back stiff...lol...

What would the lines mean where SGGS has a reference that Nanak is blessed with the Naam and the same is given by the Almighty?

Nanak is blessed with naam, and the naam is given by god himself...When we are infants, we can't talk and tell our mothers we are hungry...We cry to let her know...And yet it is up to her if she wants to feed us or not...Most likely she will because she doesn't want her child to suffer...Treat Naam as milk and god as mother...and think about this...

Our souls cry without god, our REAL mother, we suffer without him...So since a mother can't see its child cry, lord feels heartbroken for us...and blesses us with Naam...Many forget Naam and suffer by doing the wordly sins...and those who remember it...are blessed...their suffering ends...

So the line means: You are my child and I give you my Naam to end your sufferings of Anger,Attachment,Greed,Lust, and Arrogance...

Also there is a claim the he has met the God. How is it possible as he is formless. How can a human being meet someone who is formless and further the god is described as beautiful. How can a formless thing be beautiful.

Can you see your soul???...You can see your body but can you see your soul???...Have you wondered that when you pick up a book or write with your pencil it is your hand that does it, but what is it in you thats making you do this...Who is???...Your soul...

He gave you a body so you can be called beautiful...But no matter how beautiful your body is...It doesn't matter...It won't matter...It'll be pointless to you...You may be arrogant about your beauty but it'll be washed away with age...But as you get old, people start thinking your getting ugly, but your inside will still say that you're beautiful...You would know that your not anymore...But something inside you says that you are beautiful...maybe it'll be you be talking about the formless you or the soul of yours...

You'll be surprised but people never meet themselves forget god for that matter...They never discover themselves...They get illusioned by the beautiful body that they forget the beauty of naam that god sent them with...

How can you meet god: Your souls are formless and so is god...They can meet...

How is formless god beautiful: If you think you're beautiful being the formless soul that you are...then imagine how beautiful your creator is...You'll be shocked to see such beauty...

Ji, your questions make one think about the lord...They are wonderful...

Very many thanks Friend for detailing out even the small descriptions.Yes, I understand almost all that you have authored because it has been authored so nicely.

It is better if I number my queries so that you can answer them easily.

1.It is stated in sikhism that 'waheguru' is the Naam.If that be so why should Granth sahib ji is having tuks that Only those are blessed who have their Karmas or pre ordained destiny that they would get Naam. Is waheguru not enough.If it is then what is in the Granth sahib ji.

I am flattered that my questions are wonderful.I am sure these are not nuisance.

Regards.