I have a question

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

tu thakur tum pahe ardaas

jeo pind sabh tere raas

tum mat pita hum barick tere

tumri kirpa mai sukh ghanere

koi na janae tumra ant

uche tu ucha bhagwant

sagal samagri tumrai sutar dhari

tum te hoe soe agai kari

tumri gat mit tumhi jani

nanak das sada kurbani

( this is from sukhmani sahib)

then comes

tudh agai ardaas hamare

jeo pind sabh tere

kohou nanak sabh tere vadiaie koi nou na janae mera

sorry if u cant sound it out, its hard to write bani in english

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Balwinder Singh]

Thnx for the input.So as i understand it now:

"Only Guru ji knows himself what he means... "

or

"BrahmGyani Ki Gat BrahmGyani Jaane"

Thats true.

but as SOGGSJ ji added one more gurbani tuk:

"Evad Oochaa Hovay Koe, Tis Oochay Ko Jaane Soe"

I think this is said by Guru Nanak Dev ji, who said this in reference to God not brahmgyani.Again we can say that there is no difference between brahmgyani and God.So its all good.

Thnx a lot .

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji]

Aap Narayan Kaaladhar Jag Meh Parvareo!!

[Vaneet Singh]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Well, i'm absolutely naive and dont know much about sikhi, so please pardon me if i say anything wrong here..

As fas as i know, our Sikhism is the most scientific religion in this world which has a valid reason for each thing.

And here i dont know, if we say...only guru sahib knows what he means....well guru sahib wrote nothing for himself, but for us to understand...

Even i dont know the reason why Guru Gobind Singh ji wrote like that, but there must be a reason behind that.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

[Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji]

I don't know how correct it is to call Sikhi a scientific religion. Calling it so makes science seem bigger than Sikhi.

So calling it a logical religion and a way of life would seem more correct.. No?

I'm no smarter than you Bhai Sahib so maybe others here can enlighten us both.

[Vaneet Singh]

veer ji, you are abs. rite.....

I guess....scientific will itself implies....logical....or not?

so point here is not to decide..whether sikhi is more scientific or more logical...or both...

but point is...either it is scientific or logical or both....it has reason for everything.

Rest, Jap ji sahib is absolute example of scientific reasoning

Bhul ChuK Maaf

[Gupat Singhni]

I think sikhism should be defined as the most righteous religion...

Although I do agree with SOGGSJ that sikhism is also logical

Bhul Chuk Maaf!

[DhadiMania]

a gud response gupat ji

[Guest SikhForLife]

well i dont think logic and religion can even go together..

can God be explained with logic?

Faith can... !

[Khalsa4ever]

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Logic and religion are two seperate methodologies to get to the same answer. Thus they can complement each other if you realize that (and if you don't, they seem like enemies, don't they?)

Anyway, back to the original question. From what I know, Guru Nanak was born as a Guru, and as such retained his name in all of his bani. When the guruship was passed on, he physically passed his jot onto the next guru (who was not even close to a guru prior to that). At that point the next guru would have the Jot of Guru Nanak, which is why all Guru's with Bani signed with "Nanak". However, as the dasam granth states, Guru Gobind Singh was specifically called by paramathma to continue the guruship. Thus, he may be considered a guru from birth in his own right. That is why he signed differently than the previous guru.

This is my opinion, i seriously have no idea if it is true though!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!