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WHAT DO YOU EAT!?!?!

What do you eat from the following choices?  

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  1. 1. What do you eat from the following choices?

    • I am a strict vegetarian
      108
    • I still eat Meat, but trying to quit
      12
    • I eat Meat and i love it
      25
    • I only eat EGGS and or FISH
      10
    • I only eat GELATIN/RENNET (animal fat in food products)
      4


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Define guru ka singh?

Do you play the tabla?

Do you wear leather belts?

Do you wear down jackets?

DO you use down comforters?

Do you wear shoes?

Do you use products that have been tested on animals?

If your answer is yes to any of these, I suggest you get off your high horse. Thanks

Wasn't trying to offend anyone just want to know ,

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ਨਰੂ ਮਰੈ ਨਰੁ ਕਾਮਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ॥

Naroo Marai Nar Kaam N Aavai ||

नरू मरै नरु कामि न आवै ॥

When a man dies, he is of no use to anyone.

2 ਗੋਂਡ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੮੭੦ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Gond Bhagat Kabir Ang:870 Line: 5

ਪਸੂ ਮਰੈ ਦਸ ਕਾਜ ਸਵਾਰੈ ॥੧॥

Pasoo Marai Dhas Kaaj Savaarai ||1||

पसू मरै दस काज सवारै ॥१॥

But when an animal dies, it is used in ten ways. ||1||

3 ਗੋਂਡ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੮੭੦ ਪੰ. ੫
Raag Gond Bhagat Kabir Ang:870 Line: 5

Guru Ka Singh is defined in the Sikh Rehat Maryada, the above lines from Gurbani should answer your questions. Also this thread is about consumption. Do you eat a tabla? Do you eat shoes? Do you eat belts? etc... please stick to the topic and provide a Shabad that tells us to consume a dead carcass.

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ਨਰੂ ਮਰੈ ਨਰੁ ਕਾਮਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ॥

Naroo Marai Nar Kaam N Aavai ||

नरू मरै नरु कामि न आवै ॥

When a man dies, he is of no use to anyone.

2 ਗੋਂਡ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੮੭੦ ਪੰ. ੫

Raag Gond Bhagat Kabir Ang:870 Line: 5

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ਪਸੂ ਮਰੈ ਦਸ ਕਾਜ ਸਵਾਰੈ ॥੧॥

Pasoo Marai Dhas Kaaj Savaarai ||1||

पसू मरै दस काज सवारै ॥१॥

But when an animal dies, it is used in ten ways. ||1||

3 ਗੋਂਡ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੮੭੦ ਪੰ. ੫

Raag Gond Bhagat Kabir Ang:870 Line: 5

Guru Ka Singh is defined in the Sikh Rehat Maryada, the above lines from Gurbani should answer your questions. Also this thread is about consumption. Do you eat a tabla? Do you eat shoes? Do you eat belts? etc... please stick to the topic and provide a Shabad that tells us to consume a dead carcass.

WJKK WJKF

Thanks for the uploads of gurbani, so beautiful!

Veer ji, in your opinion, should we then as Sikhs wait for a animal to die a natural death for us to be able to use its carcass for by products?

WJKK WJKF

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WJKK WJKF

Thanks for the uploads of gurbani, so beautiful!

Veer ji, in your opinion, should we then as Sikhs wait for a animal to die a natural death for us to be able to use its carcass for by products?

WJKK WJKF

WJKK WJKF, I presume that is how the carcass of animals would have been used previous times. Now with industrialisation it is unlikely. In my opinion it would probably be better to be as ethical as we can, but sometimes it is not possible. Maybe try to use synthetics where possible, but that is another topic. This is regarding animal consumption. Gurbani mentions the use of dairy products, but I can't find a shabad telling us to consume animals. Please can someone provide such a shabad.

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ਨਰੂ ਮਰੈ ਨਰੁ ਕਾਮਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ॥

Naroo Marai Nar Kaam N Aavai ||

नरू मरै नरु कामि न आवै ॥

When a man dies, he is of no use to anyone.

2 ਗੋਂਡ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੮੭੦ ਪੰ. ੫

Raag Gond Bhagat Kabir Ang:870 Line: 5

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ਪਸੂ ਮਰੈ ਦਸ ਕਾਜ ਸਵਾਰੈ ॥੧॥

Pasoo Marai Dhas Kaaj Savaarai ||1||

पसू मरै दस काज सवारै ॥१॥

But when an animal dies, it is used in ten ways. ||1||

3 ਗੋਂਡ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੮੭੦ ਪੰ. ੫

Raag Gond Bhagat Kabir Ang:870 Line: 5

Guru Ka Singh is defined in the Sikh Rehat Maryada, the above lines from Gurbani should answer your questions. Also this thread is about consumption. Do you eat a tabla? Do you eat shoes? Do you eat belts? etc... please stick to the topic and provide a Shabad that tells us to consume a dead carcass.

"maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai. ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.

gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay. maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay.

farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai. naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai. " ang 1289

"The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said." This to me says that meat-eating is ok, stop arguing on meat unless you know what meat is: only the Guru knows what meat is. http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak_in_Kurukshetra according to this Sakhi Guru Nanak did cook meat; therefore, consuming meat is ok, and even if it wasn't from what I know this hasn't been agreed upon: are all Nihangs going to hell?

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"maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai. ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.

gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay. maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay.

farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai. naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai. " ang 1289

"The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said." This to me says that meat-eating is ok, stop arguing on meat unless you know what meat is: only the Guru knows what meat is. http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak_in_Kurukshetra according to this Sakhi Guru Nanak did cook meat; therefore, consuming meat is ok, and even if it wasn't from what I know this hasn't been agreed upon: are all Nihangs going to hell?

This Shabad DOES NOT tell anyone to go out and eat a dead carcass. Guru Ji is simply pointing out Hindu hypocrisy just like in Hardwar. How many Sikhs do you know throw water towards their fields in Punjab?

Ma 1 ||

मः १ ॥

First Mehl

5767 ਪੰ. ੧

ਹਕੁ ਪਰਾਇਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਉਸੁ ਸੂਅਰ ਉਸੁ ਗਾਇ ॥

Hak Paraaeiaa Naanakaa Ous Sooar Ous Gaae ||

हकु पराइआ नानका उसु सूअर उसु गाइ ॥

: To take what rightfully belongs to another, is like a Muslim eating pork, or a Hindu eating beef.

5768 ਮਾਝ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੪੧ ਪੰ. ੧

Raag Maajh Guru Nanak Dev

ਗੁਰੁ ਪੀਰੁ ਹਾਮਾ ਤਾ ਭਰੇ ਜਾ ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ ਨ ਖਾਇ ॥

Gur Peer Haamaa Thaa Bharae Jaa Muradhaar N Khaae ||

गुरु पीरु हामा ता भरे जा मुरदारु न खाइ ॥

Our Guru, our Spiritual Guide, stands by us, if we do not eat those carcasses.

5769 ਮਾਝ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੪੧ ਪੰ. ੧

Raag Maajh Guru Nanak Dev

PLEASE PROVIDE A SHABAD TO TELL US TO EAT A DEAD CARCASS

ਕਬੀਰ ਖੂਬੁ ਖਾਨਾ ਖੀਚਰੀ ਜਾ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਲੋਨੁ ॥

Kabeer Khoob Khaanaa Kheecharee Jaa Mehi Anmrith Lon ||

कबीर खूबु खाना खीचरी जा महि अम्रितु लोनु ॥

Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.

1 ਸਲੋਕ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੨

Salok Bhagat Kabir Ang:1374 Line: 12

ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨੁ ॥੧੮੮॥

Haeraa Rottee Kaaranae Galaa Kattaavai Koun ||188||

हेरा रोटी कारने गला कटावै कउनु ॥१८८॥

Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? ||188||

2 ਸਲੋਕ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੨

Salok Bhagat Kabir Ang:1374 Line: 12

PLEASE PROVIDE A SHABAD THAT SPECIFICALLY TELLS US TO CONSUME A DEAD CARCASS.

Our purpose in life is to achieve liberation. We do that by living according to Guru Ji's guidance. Nihangs are no different from anyone else, we need to live by Gurmat to fulfill our life purpose. It's that simple.

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This Shabad DOES NOT tell anyone to go out and eat a dead carcass. Guru Ji is simply pointing out Hindu hypocrisy just like in Hardwar. How many Sikhs do you know throw water towards their fields in Punjab?

Ma 1 ||

मः १ ॥

First Mehl

5767 ਪੰ. ੧

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ਹਕੁ ਪਰਾਇਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਉਸੁ ਸੂਅਰ ਉਸੁ ਗਾਇ ॥

Hak Paraaeiaa Naanakaa Ous Sooar Ous Gaae ||

हकु पराइआ नानका उसु सूअर उसु गाइ ॥

: To take what rightfully belongs to another, is like a Muslim eating pork, or a Hindu eating beef.

5768 ਮਾਝ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੪੧ ਪੰ. ੧

Raag Maajh Guru Nanak Dev

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ਗੁਰੁ ਪੀਰੁ ਹਾਮਾ ਤਾ ਭਰੇ ਜਾ ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ ਨ ਖਾਇ ॥

Gur Peer Haamaa Thaa Bharae Jaa Muradhaar N Khaae ||

गुरु पीरु हामा ता भरे जा मुरदारु न खाइ ॥

Our Guru, our Spiritual Guide, stands by us, if we do not eat those carcasses.

5769 ਮਾਝ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੪੧ ਪੰ. ੧

Raag Maajh Guru Nanak Dev

PLEASE PROVIDE A SHABAD TO TELL US TO EAT A DEAD CARCASS

ਕਬੀਰ ਖੂਬੁ ਖਾਨਾ ਖੀਚਰੀ ਜਾ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਲੋਨੁ ॥

Kabeer Khoob Khaanaa Kheecharee Jaa Mehi Anmrith Lon ||

कबीर खूबु खाना खीचरी जा महि अम्रितु लोनु ॥

Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.

1 ਸਲੋਕ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੨

Salok Bhagat Kabir Ang:1374 Line: 12

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ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨੁ ॥੧੮੮॥

Haeraa Rottee Kaaranae Galaa Kattaavai Koun ||188||

हेरा रोटी कारने गला कटावै कउनु ॥१८८॥

Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? ||188||

2 ਸਲੋਕ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੪ ਪੰ. ੧੨

Salok Bhagat Kabir Ang:1374 Line: 12

PLEASE PROVIDE A SHABAD THAT SPECIFICALLY TELLS US TO CONSUME A DEAD CARCASS.

Our purpose in life is to achieve liberation. We do that by living according to Guru Ji's guidance. Nihangs are no different from anyone else, we need to live by Gurmat to fulfill our life purpose. It's that simple.

only Guru Sahib can give liberation, and if the Guru(through Panj Pyare) say that you can't eat meat, there is the answer: if they say you can that's also the answer. ਜੀਅ ਜੰਤ ਸਗਲੇ ਬਖਸਿੰਦ ॥੧॥ जीअ जंत सगले बखसिंद ॥१॥ Jī▫a janṯ sagle bakẖsinḏ. ||1|| He forgives all beings and creatures. ||1|| Ang 866 since you are pro-vegan I would like to say merly being a vegetarian can't save you from the paap. The Nkali Nirankaris and the Naamdharis are Vegeterian, but you know what they did. You should see the big picture, that Guru Sahib is not a set of rules, he is the Guru and as such shouldn't be treated as a rule (forgive me for the word I'm about to say, but it's the only way you'll understand) a rule "book"(I hope Guru Sahib could forgive me for using such a derogatory term, but that's how you viewed Guru Sahib). You know the Guru used to hunt, so what's next:"Killing is wrong it's wrong!"

"jee-a baDhahu so Dharam kar thaapahu aDhram kahhu kat bhaa-ee.

aapas ka-o munivar kar thaapahu kaa ka-o kahhu kasaa-ee. (2)

You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action.

Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?

You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? (2)" ang 1103

You have to get to the point that the Khalsa is Sant Siphai and a Siphai has to kill at certain times.

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only Guru Sahib can give liberation, and if the Guru(through Panj Pyare) say that you can't eat meat, there is the answer: if they say you can that's also the answer. ਜੀਅ ਜੰਤ ਸਗਲੇ ਬਖਸਿੰਦ ॥੧॥ जीअ जंत सगले बखसिंद ॥१॥ Jī▫a janṯ sagle bakẖsinḏ. ||1|| He forgives all beings and creatures. ||1|| Ang 866 since you are pro-vegan I would like to say merly being a vegetarian can't save you from the paap. The Nkali Nirankaris and the Naamdharis are Vegeterian, but you know what they did. You should see the big picture, that Guru Sahib is not a set of rules, he is the Guru and as such shouldn't be treated as a rule (forgive me for the word I'm about to say, but it's the only way you'll understand) a rule "book"(I hope Guru Sahib could forgive me for using such a derogatory term, but that's how you viewed Guru Sahib). You know the Guru used to hunt, so what's next:"Killing is wrong it's wrong!"

"jee-a baDhahu so Dharam kar thaapahu aDhram kahhu kat bhaa-ee.

aapas ka-o munivar kar thaapahu kaa ka-o kahhu kasaa-ee. (2)

You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action.

Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?

You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? (2)" ang 1103

You have to get to the point that the Khalsa is Sant Siphai and a Siphai has to kill at certain times.

I'm Pro Gurbani. Yes you are right Gurbani isn't a set of rules BUT, as Sikhs we live by the guidance of Gurbani. Sikhi is a way of life. All aspects of life are covered by Gurbani from birth to death. Which is why Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the one true everlasting Guru. I cannot find anywhere in Gurbani that tells us to eat a dead carcass. I can only find shabads that refrain us from such actions. Just like the Shabad you quoted.

PLEASE CAN YOU OR ANYONE PROVIDE A SHABAD THAT TELLS US TO EAT DEAD CARCASSES. I have asked this many times to no avail.

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I'm Pro Gurbani. Yes you are right Gurbani isn't a set of rules BUT, as Sikhs we live by the guidance of Gurbani. Sikhi is a way of life. All aspects of life are covered by Gurbani from birth to death. Which is why Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the one true everlasting Guru. I cannot find anywhere in Gurbani that tells us to eat a dead carcass. I can only find shabads that refrain us from such actions. Just like the Shabad you quoted.

PLEASE CAN YOU OR ANYONE PROVIDE A SHABAD THAT TELLS US TO EAT DEAD CARCASSES. I have asked this many times to no avail.

I thought the first quote of Gurbani that I mentioned explained that meat eating was ok"ਮਃ ੧ ॥ मः १ ॥ mehlaa 1. First Mehl:

ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ ਕਉਣੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਉਣੁ ਸਾਗੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸੁ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥

ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਕੀਏ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੇ ॥ ਮਾਸੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕੁ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥

ਫੜੁ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਧੇ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਬੂਝੈ ॥

maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai. ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.

gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay. maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay.

farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai. naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai.

The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said." Ang 1289 written by Guru Nanak Dev Ji(if you have any question Guru Nanak is higher than Kabir, though both are highly spiritual) we also have to understand that Kabir also said this"ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹੁ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਅਧਰਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥ जीअ बधहु सु धरमु करि थापहु अधरमु कहहु कत भाई ॥ Jī▫a baḏẖahu so ḏẖaram kar thāpahu aḏẖram kahhu kaṯ bẖā▫ī. You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?

ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥੨॥ आपस कउ मुनिवर करि थापहु का कउ कहहु कसाई ॥२॥ Āpas ka▫o munivar kar thāpahu kā ka▫o kahhu kasā▫ī. ||2|| You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? ||2||" he would clearly be against all killing: which just isn't the Saint Siphai way of the Khalsa. Also before we can argue on meat we have to know what meat is? If you asked Guru Nanak himself, he would answer in a very different way than a low-person like me. If you showed the above quote to Guru Gobind Singh Ji about why the Sikhs have war, he would most likely call non-violence impractical (Kabir mentioned it as all killings), but understand we can also kill someone's heart or emotions or could destroy their reputation, so it goes soooooo much more than just not eating an animal, because plants have souls as well. We should have Daya for the animals and the plants,(not just animals), when someone goes to destroy Sikhi will you be saying"No, they were Vegeterian, they won't finish us"(you better believe that there are some Vegeterian organizations who wish that Sikhi would be finished tomorrow).

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I thought the first quote of Gurbani that I mentioned explained that meat eating was ok"ਮਃ ੧ ॥ मः १ ॥ mehlaa 1. First Mehl:

ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ ਕਉਣੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਉਣੁ ਸਾਗੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸੁ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥

ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਕੀਏ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੇ ॥ ਮਾਸੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕੁ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥

ਫੜੁ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਧੇ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਬੂਝੈ ॥

maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai. ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.

gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay. maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay.

farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai. naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai.

The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said." Ang 1289 written by Guru Nanak Dev Ji(if you have any question Guru Nanak is higher than Kabir, though both are highly spiritual) we also have to understand that Kabir also said this"ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹੁ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਅਧਰਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥ जीअ बधहु सु धरमु करि थापहु अधरमु कहहु कत भाई ॥ Jī▫a baḏẖahu so ḏẖaram kar thāpahu aḏẖram kahhu kaṯ bẖā▫ī. You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?

ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥੨॥ आपस कउ मुनिवर करि थापहु का कउ कहहु कसाई ॥२॥ Āpas ka▫o munivar kar thāpahu kā ka▫o kahhu kasā▫ī. ||2|| You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? ||2||" he would clearly be against all killing: which just isn't the Saint Siphai way of the Khalsa. Also before we can argue on meat we have to know what meat is? If you asked Guru Nanak himself, he would answer in a very different way than a low-person like me. If you showed the above quote to Guru Gobind Singh Ji about why the Sikhs have war, he would most likely call non-violence impractical (Kabir mentioned it as all killings), but understand we can also kill someone's heart or emotions or could destroy their reputation, so it goes soooooo much more than just not eating an animal, because plants have souls as well. We should have Daya for the animals and the plants,(not just animals), when someone goes to destroy Sikhi will you be saying"No, they were Vegeterian, they won't finish us"(you better believe that there are some Vegeterian organizations who wish that Sikhi would be finished tomorrow).

In the shabad quoted above about it being foolish to argue about meat and flesh, Guru Ji is explaining the hypocrisy of hindu brahmins/pandits just as I explained previously. Giani Takur Singh Ji has done Katha on this shabad. Please go and listen to it. PLEASE TELL ME WHERE THE SHABAD TELLS YOU TO GO AND KILL AN ANIMAL AND EAT IT'S DEAD CARCASS SPECIFICALLY. I just want to know because all I can find is shabads guiding to eat roti, beans, lentils etc... NOT ANIMALS. It is understandable that where there is no other food source available then one would have to hunt and consume a dead carcass. BUT I doubt this is the case for the 99.99999999% of Sikhs. Why show the above quote to Guru Gobind Singh Ji when it was he who dictated the Bani to Bhai Mani Singh Ji. Also please stick to the topic of diet. Thank you.

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In the shabad quoted above about it being foolish to argue about meat and flesh, Guru Ji is explaining the hypocrisy of hindu brahmins/pandits just as I explained previously. Giani Takur Singh Ji has done Katha on this shabad. Please go and listen to it. PLEASE TELL ME WHERE THE SHABAD TELLS YOU TO GO AND KILL AN ANIMAL AND EAT IT'S DEAD CARCASS SPECIFICALLY. I just want to know because all I can find is shabads guiding to eat roti, beans, lentils etc... NOT ANIMALS. It is understandable that where there is no other food source available then one would have to hunt and consume a dead carcass. BUT I doubt this is the case for the 99.99999999% of Sikhs. Why show the above quote to Guru Gobind Singh Ji when it was he who dictated the Bani to Bhai Mani Singh Ji. Also please stick to the topic of diet. Thank you.

I'm willing to listen to the Katha, but couldn't find it, please show it to me so I can hopefully get more knowledge on this issue,(I don't really know much about it), I apologize for mentioning the Sant Siphai issue, but a Saint Soldier has to kill! It can't be any other way.

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I'm willing to listen to the Katha, but couldn't find it, please show it to me so I can hopefully get more knowledge on this issue,(I don't really know much about it), I apologize for mentioning the Sant Siphai issue, but a Saint Soldier has to kill! It can't be any other way.

Here's the link: http://www.sikhsangeet.com/albumid724-Giani-Thakur-Singh-(Patiala-Wale-Damdami-Taksal)-Katha-Maas-Maas-Kar-Murkh-Chagrdae.html

I hope it helps

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