WHAT DO YOU EAT!?!?!

[JSingh 3]

Bhaji, when a cow and buffalo suee hove, they have to be milked, otherwise, they will have pain. Just like you want to pee and your bladder is full and you can't hold it no more and you can't even find a place to attend the call of the nature. You have the control over your body and you have do it anywhere you feel like to release the pressure, but these animals can't do it themselves. They need our help to milk them. You see Waheguru's creation if perfect. He created it in His own image. Like lion or many more wild animals, their diet is meat, they have to kill another animal to survive. We cannot make everyone, inclucing animals vegetarian, this would be going againt Akal Purukh's will.

[Balwinder Singh 16]

Bhaji, when a cow and buffalo suee hove, they have to be milked, otherwise, they will have pain. Just like you want to pee and your bladder is full and you can't hold it no more and you can't even find a place to attend the call of the nature. You have the control over your body and you have do it anywhere you feel like to release the pressure, but these animals can't do it themselves. They need our help to milk them. You see Waheguru's creation if perfect. He created it in His own image. Like lion or many more wild animals, their diet is meat, they have to kill another animal to survive. We cannot make everyone, inclucing animals vegetarian, this would be going againt Akal Purukh's will.

I think God gives every animal a mechanism to survive.If a cow suees(or delivers) , there must be mechanism to save her life.God cannot make her dependent on us if she suees.Here again I can argue abt wild cows....do they die after giving birth as there is nobdy to milk umm?

[JSingh 3]

no bhaji, they have their calfs to suck the milk and therefore they do not die. everything in the creation is connected and have casue and effect, or is associated with other things. like a lion eats a deer to survive, dear may eat something else, to survive, or that somthing else easts something else to survive. All the species' diet is provided by Akal Purukh, as it is said in Rehras Sahib. There is nothing wrong in demesticating a cow and give part of the milk to the calf or give the the whole milk to the calf until the calf is read to digest or eat pathe and then use the milk for household. If we start thinking we don't gave right to cow's milk cuz it belongs to the calf, we will die and not eat anything cuz even plants have life, they have feelings too. Why do we kill the pants to survive? Why not stay hungry an die? We are not Jains, who cover their mouths so that not even a single insect in the air get in their mouths. By doing all things we cannot reach God. We need to accept the nature and abide by its rules and work towards our spiritual upliftment.

bhul chuk di khima....

[Balwinder Singh 16]

no bhaji, they have their calfs to suck the milk and therefore they do not die. everything in the creation is connected and have casue and effect, or is associated with other things. like a lion eats a deer to survive, dear may eat something else, to survive, or that somthing else easts something else to survive. All the species' diet is provided by Akal Purukh, as it is said in Rehras Sahib. There is nothing wrong in demesticating a cow and give part of the milk to the calf or give the the whole milk to the calf until the calf is read to digest or eat pathe and then use the milk for household. If we start thinking we don't gave right to cow's milk cuz it belongs to the calf, we will die and not eat anything cuz even plants have life, they have feelings too. Why do we kill the pants to survive? Why not stay hungry an die? We are not Jains, who cover their mouths so that not even a single insect in the air get in their mouths. By doing all things we cannot reach God. We need to accept the nature and abide by its rules and work towards our spiritual upliftment.

bhul chuk di khima....

Thanks for the gr8 answer.one more question:

If plants have life which I think have same status as of animals, why do we prefer killing plants rather than animals...and who told us what is sin....i mean why do we think killing animal for food(only for food) is sin

and killing plant for food in 'NOT' sin.

If we say God made our body for plants then why God made us omnivorous.

And milk is also a product of an animal and have animal protiens and fats, which are similar to meat.Why do we drink milk , if we avoid meat assuming our body is made for plants?

[JSingh 3]

Bhaji, meat and milk are two different things, like a child sucks her mother's milk, but he/she is not killing his/her mother for milk right. as Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji says in Asa Di // that there is nothing without meet, "jete daane ann ke, jeeaa bajh na koae, pehla paani jeo hai, jit hareya sabh koi..." therefore, nobody is vegetarian in on earth. We drink water and we breathe in and everything has small insects in and we cannot be like Jains in order to avoid these things. We have many insects inside us, nothing is without meat or flesh. as you said, we are omnivorous, but i still don't quite understand if we are allowed to kill the animal for food or not, just like we do to plants, since plans have lives too and i think they are also counted in 84 joons, probably. don't know. I think we won't understand these things untill we get spritually enlightened. then Guru Sahib will help us see and understand Akal Purukh's creation...

bhul chuk di khima....

[Balwinder Singh 16]

Thnx for ur reply.

If u think nobdy is vegiee then wht did u answer to the question above , if thats not personal?Or why I am seeing too many veggiees here, while clearly mentioned here to be as accurate as we can...?

I dont wanna offend anybdy, but I am just curious.

[JSingh 3]

yaar, thats why i didn't vote on this pole. i don't know who i am. i can't be precise. i think those who are strictly vegetarian also live in this same world. they inhale the same air that non-veggies do. as it is said in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that only the fools querrel over the meat issue, and thats what we are now

[Balwinder Singh 16]

I am also of the same view.I dont get the reason people give for being vegie(when they r not fully veggie).

Few popular ones are:

1) Killing is cruel: then why do we kill plants and why dont we live according to jains who take utmost care for not killing organisms.Why do we take medicines, use soap, and lottsa other things.

2) Meat is not for humans: Then why do we drink milk....it has the same properties.Why do we eat cakes and cookies.

3)Killing is sin: Then why do we kill plants.How do we know killing animals is a sin but not plants.

I really wanna see the fine line.I mean something which really answers everything.

And u r true...I m fool thats why I m arguing over meat as told by Guru Nanak dev ji.We all shud respect Akal Takhat (where they gave the freedom and told us not to fight over it) and be in His(God's) Hukam.

[JSingh 3]

oh yaar balwindreya, tu aapne aap nu phool na keh... i said we are all fool, it was not directed towards anyone. i am in too cuz i am also participating in meat issue. i'm the biggest fool. all i know is talk, but nothing more than that... andron khaali aan...

[SaadhRayn Kaur 2]

the shabad is "maas maas kar moorakh jhagray"

this does NOT mean "everybody who fights about meat is an <banned word filter activated>"

it means "the ritualistic pandit is a fool for he argues, 'this is meat,' 'that is meat'"

the shabad goes on to say that without 'gyaan' you will not know what is really meat and what is not

you will not realize what is OKAY and what is NOT okay to eat

this is called BIBEK BUDHEE and only Guru Sahib can bless it to you

and Guru Sahib's darshan happens through Guru Sahib - in the shabad jyot suroop of Baba Nanak - GURU GRANTH SAHIB JEE, read from GUru GRanth Sahib jee and do vichar (YES DO VICHAR ABOUT MEAT TOO!!!) and then have pyaar and

with reading,

listening,

accepting,

loving,

following gurbani

you will get bibek budhee

something I don't have yet because I don't practice rehit enough.

Please don't say that you are an <banned word filter activated> for discussing meat.

Idiots are those people who

1) say they are right and everybody is wrong

2) say everybody is right and the guru is wrong

3) don't even bother to find out the truth

I am sincerely sorry for anything I said against Gurmat and Saadh Sangat jee please forgive me and may Guru jee bless you with naam and chardee kalaa,

saajan thayray charan kee hoay rahaa sadh dhooR

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

[Balwinder Singh 16]

Thanks for the reply Jsingh ji and SaadhRayn Kaur ji.

I juss wanna ask SaadhRayn Kaur ji the following questions:

1) How do u deal with the issues myself and Jsingh ji were discussing.

2) Do I need to reach certain spirtual level to get an idea of what it is all about?

3)Whats ur most convincing arguement abt not eating meat and how do u justify this?

4) Whats ur fine line where u think its okay if my action kills these organisms (including small organisms in water and air , plants and seeds too).....and u dont consider it a sin?

5)Whats ur definition for non-veggie and veggie?

And lastly...

5) Do u think Sikh eating meat is commiting a sin and has to be rebaptized if taken amrit?

Thnkx.

[bravekhalsa 1]

I'm a strict vegetarian. I was raised in a vegetarian family, so I have never had any meat or eggs in my lfe. Waheguru Ji De Kirpa. I always read all lables and everything. I do have one question regarding gelatin. As I unsderstand it, there are two types of gelatin one that comes from animals and the other from plants. How do know which is used in what? For example, the other day I had some Skittles. After having some, I read the package and it said it contained gelatin. How do I know that it is the animal kind and not the one from plants? I did do ardaas for forgiveness just to be safe. Any one have any facts?

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Singh Jee all Gelatin is made from animals. The 'Gelatin' made from plants has a different name to it. Its called "PECTIN".

ps: I used to get my starburst (may be once skittles) from UK LOL . Some candies you get over there don't have any animal products in it.

[akjforever 8]

Thanks for clearing that up veer,

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[bravekhalsa 1]

1) Killing is cruel: then why do we kill plants and why dont we live according to jains who take utmost care for not killing organisms.Why do we take medicines, use soap, and lottsa other things.

We don't live according to 'Jainies' because we are Sikh and so were our Guroo's. Thats what you are supposed to follow the way our Guroo Sahib lived their lives without meat. Simple as that. Plus all Herbivorous animals have Square teeth. And so do you and me. All the Carnivorous have sharp Teeth so they can eat meat.

2) Meat is not for humans: Then why do we drink milk....it has the same properties.Why do we eat cakes and cookies.

Again we are not killing any living organism on purpose just to get milk from the cow. Again None of the Guroo Sahib's said we couldn't drink it either. There are tons of examples of milk feeding in gurbani. like this one (Forgive me Guroo Jee for this) Its doesn't say MEAT KHAYO GOBINDAY..... you get the pic.

About the cookies and cake thing. My mom makes both at home. As a matter of fact I m gona go have a cookie right no

w... And she makes awesome cake

3)Killing is sin: Then why do we kill plants. How do we know killing animals is a sin but not plants.

I really wanna see the fine line.I mean something which really answers everything.

Is it really hard to Follow the way Guroo Sahib lived their lives?

This is to All the non-vegs.. Next time you are about to eat meat think about your Guroo Sahib (if you actually believe in him) would he be eating the same meat you are about to have?

[bravekhalsa 1]

3)Whats ur most convincing arguement abt not eating meat and how do u justify this?

4) Whats ur fine line where u think its okay if my action kills these organisms (including small organisms in water and air , plants and seeds too).....and u dont consider it a sin?

5)Whats ur definition for non-veggie and veggie?

And lastly...

5) Do u think Sikh eating meat is commiting a sin and has to be rebaptized if taken amrit?

My Guroo told me not to eat it. Thats only one best logic I can think of.

All the meat eaten by all the people is just for taste. NO such thing as a "NEED OF MEAT" its all "WANT OF MEAT". OUR Guroo Jee drank water, used to breath air, and ate plants and seeds. I try to do the same. I don't consider it a sin because My Guroo Sahib didn't.

Yup if you eat meat on purpose one would be a sinner for sure.

I can bet you if most of you Non- vegs had to kill your own meat, chop its head off, peel the skin off and see all that blood coming out and then wash your blood bathed clothes. you'll never eat meat again in your life.