Bachitter Natak On Muhammad

[kuthaman]

Mehtab Singh,

Could you please summarize the katha since the video has been removed? I know you don't want to give any comments, but summarizing is not the same as offering commentary.

Thanks.

one bit of the mp3 summarized:

A fakir/ a sadhu used to sent letters to mohammad. This letters were collected from different parts like mecca, medina and other villages.

When people used to ask where this letter came from, mohammad used to say from God.

When this letters were completed ,the fakir/sadhu informed mohammad that he wanted to visit him.

Mohammad told his followers that a shaitan (satan) will be visiting and would be claming that the letters are from him. AND TO KILL HIM.

So Mohammad basically got this sadhu murdered to claim himself as the real sadhu/prophet.

My comment:

This means that islam started with a murder to hide plagirism and continues with murder.

The katha is a good interpretation, but in reading the text for myself I found that God's beloved Muhammad descended to Earth and he just all those came before him fell into ego. Fell into ego can be described as veneration of ones own name over God. This can be seen in many different islamic texts. When they say his name they always have to say May Peace be upon him. In another part of the Dasam Granth there is a statement there was many Muhammads that are unaccountable within God's creation, but they all perished when there purpose or time came to end within God's will. Hope that helps

[Jai Tegang!]

True circucision is "sharam" according to gurbani. Expanding on this, Santji says that abstaining form vices is the real sunnat, as opposed to altering God's form by removing skin.

Bhagat Kabir Ji is asked by locals to also have sunat done (since they were raised by muslim parents and society expected them to follow Islamic priciples). Bhagat ji replies that if Allah wanted me to have sunnat, it will happen by itself, just like it is claimed that Porphet Mohammed had sunnat naturally.

Sant ji also describe the origins of circumcision, mustache trimming and wearing of short sleeve tunics by muslims.

So the stroy goes...

- Abraham is visited by an "apachhar" (which I believe translates to a heavenly sent beautiful women), whom he wishes to marry. The apacchar sets the condition that he must divorce his wife and never touch her again. If He is ever to touch her (have a relationship with her), then she will punish him. All of this written in a contract between Abraham and the apachhar.

- One day Abraham's wife (who was living at her parents home now) tricks Abraham into visiting her claiming she's on her deathbed. Upon arriving, he sees her fully well and dressed seductively. Abraham loses his vow and does bhog with her.

-Apachhar finds out and cuts his foreskin.

Santji also tells the other version of this story.

- One of Abrahams disciples brings his son to the prophet to complain that his son doesn't bring his wife back home. Abraham instructs him to listen to his father, upon which the son tells abraham to do the same (as Abraham had also sent off his wife).

-Abraham's wife sets puishment conditons for her return. Abraham requests her to go easy as he is her husband. So she circumcises him, trims his mustache, cuts his kesh, and tears off his tunics sleevs to the elbows. for 40 days Abraham lays in pain, after which he orders all his followers to follow the same as it's the command of God.

Interestingly, Santji also states that Kabba was originaly a Shiv Mandir.

Good to know what our sampardas view of history is like.

[AK47 JATHA LION]

yes, from what i know about Muhammed and the dasam granth,

It says that :

mohammed Created the race of the circumsized. But they started to worship him instead of god.

Similar to what it says about Vishnu. About how he allowed people to worship him because of Ego.

[THE WARRIOR]

Mahedeen was made king of Arabia…

[Raju]

Vishnu and Mohammad are not equals.

Mohammad is a prophet, a human and a creation of God but Vishnu is a God.

About circumsized people, in Bible it is written that "thou shalt be circumsized of the soul and not of any physical organ". Because the pharisees (Jews) whom Jesus had known were all circusized yet they were not good people and indulged in all manner of sins.

[Matheen]

Vishnu and Mohammad are not equals.

Mohammad is a prophet, a human and a creation of God but Vishnu is a God.

and Vishnu wasn't a creation of God? Read Bachittar Natak or Chaubis Avtar from Sri Dasam Granth.........

[kam1825]

Vishnu is a creation of the Lord and the virtue of Sato Gun. True Vishnu and mohammed are not equals. If you want to put them into some sort of system to understand them then Mohammed is a prophet like jesus while Vishnu is an angel of God like Gabriel

[fatehe]

Muhammed Sahib preached in the one God and claimed to be the chosen messenger. Sri Krishan was a Avatar who led a war against the demons. All the Avatars, prophets before Baba Nanak made people worship them alongside with God. They claimed to be the bridge to God. Sikhi is unique because there is no middle person. Muslims say Muhammed was a complete man and the more they become like him the closer they get to God. Guru Nanak Sahib preached in the formless God (Nirankar) only.

This is why it says there a million Muhammads of Arabia. When Hindus praise the might of Krishna Avatar, Guru ji reminds them of Nirankar by saying there are millions of Krishna who are playing the same game.

[xHarinder_singh]

Vishnu and Mohammad are not equals.

Mohammad is a prophet, a human and a creation of God but Vishnu is a God.

About circumsized people, in Bible it is written that "thou shalt be circumsized of the soul and not of any physical organ". Because the pharisees (Jews) whom Jesus had known were all circusized yet they were not good people and indulged in all manner of sins.

This is what I think. God lives in Sachkhand. God is the boss. After God comes Satguru Guru Nanak Dev Jee Maharaaj. Outside Sachkhand, there is army of God. This army of God is above Maya(of 3 gunns). Below the army of God, maya starts to get active and there infinite creation where maya plays its role. Vishnu is below maya.

Now comes prohet of islam, I feel he could recognize maya(satan) and wrote lots of things to help his followers fight maya. The best thing about prohhet saab was that he made people worship GOD. Jesus did the same. I have HUGE respect for anyone who makes people only worship GOD. Any "avatar" who makes people worship himself, gets beaten in the dargah which could have happened to krishan.

[Raju]

there are two kinds of Christians.

One kind believe that there is only Jehovah, who is the only true God.

the other kind (mostly Gnostics) believe that Jehovah is another name for Lucifer (the fallen angel/Satan) who pretends to be the only controller of human destiny and likes to call himself the 'One and only God' and in reality the universe has many different power centres, and civilizations and Gods presiding over them.

Hindus mostly practice what Gnostics believe that there are many different Gods, each controlling his own realm with his own universe.

the orthodox Abrahamics believe in the former.

Since in Kalyug, there is untruth everywhere the 'One God' theory that mostly Abrahamics preach might also lead one to the wrong path.

Probably there are many Gods and earth is there playground where they test their forces against each other. And thus Vishnu claims to take avatar at every turn of civilization to give balance to the world. Vishnu, Brahma etc might be Gods of their own realm and all righteous in their own right. Lucifer could be the upstart who challenges them to see who is right. And they accept the challenge.

We shall see.