Is Sikhism Based On Hindu Princples

[london001]

1. Where all the Gurus hindu or not/

2. Isn't Sikhism just another form of Hinduism, based on hinduism princples? I have been reading a thread on another board and there are several HP who proclaims that the Gurus were infact Hindus and that sikhism if not a branch of a hinduism is a tree born out of the seed of hinduism i.e its a form of evolved hindiusm.

[Guest amar_jkp]

Was Jesus a Jew or not ? Is Christanity is anpother form of judism.

Which site are u talking about ?

All these Hindu stupidity was bought by Mahants Udasi and Nirmlas .

[london001]

Yaar, give me something, give me some insight into why this isn't the case.

[Guest amar_jkp]

First give me the site name which u are refering.

[Dukh Nivaran]

Lmao!! Well I suggest you do you research again What RSS sites you been looking at :rolleyes: Sikhi is NOT an offshoot of Hinduism. This is just one of the many false statements made by right wing hindu fanatics and the GOI in an attempt to dilute the sikh faith. Most Sikh beliefs go against that of Hinduism. For instance, Idol worshipping, sacred threads etc. are all prohibitied in Sikhi.

[hawk13]

1. Where all the Gurus hindu or not/

2. Isn't Sikhism just another form of Hinduism, based on hinduism princples? I have been reading a thread on another board and there are several HP who proclaims that the Gurus were infact Hindus and that sikhism if not a branch of a hinduism is a tree born out of the seed of hinduism i.e its a form of evolved hindiusm.

Those who proclaim these rubbish should find out word Hindu from old texts this word was the disgraceful to idol worshippers of india which means KAMEENA or hin means lowest person or slave , Secondly if someone believes in this rubbish is the biggest fool Guru Nanak dev ji contradicted hindu gods in conversation with sadhus in shiv mandirs in batala and said NOR IAM HINDU OR MUSLIM. AND ASKED NOT TO WORSHIP HINDU GODS OR GODDESSES AND PROBHITS SIKHS NEVER TO VISIT HINDU PILGRIMAGE LIKE amarnath , Hindu worships sex in form of shivling how can tghese slaves make false claims? sikh is succssor to almighty not a branch of any religion . Guru can never be slaves they rejected hindus outrightly does not these people know DEVI WAS CLEANING THE FLOOR OF GURU JI WITH BROOM.OR does not know how a sikh cuttoff the nose of naina devi during the time of sixth guru.These r the few examples

[SaRpAnCh]

At the begining of SGGS Ji IK ONKAR DEFEATS ALL CONCEPTS OF HINDU religion

[jassa]

every religion is based on god's principles ... if we say god is one so should be its principle which leads to similarities between different religions of the world ... jesus said god is one so does guru nanak it is a positive similarity not a negative ur religion in based on mine theory ... we all say gods one yet there is feeling in people following every religion mine god is better then urs ...

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Asa Di Vaar has the answers to that question in the most concentrated manner. It provides a nice rebuttal of a lot of Hindu practices. Time and time again, Guru Sahib has stated in Gurbani that the practices of Hinduism are false. Tell the Hindus to read Asa Di Vaar in their Mandirs every day, with special emphasis on the passages relating to Pandits and Brahmins - I would like to see that. if Sikhism is truly a branch or evolved form of Hinduism, then there should be no problem for the Hindus to shed their antiquated religion and "evolve" to Sikhism, correct?

From the start Guru Nanak Sahib differentiated the Sikh philosophy from Ik Onkaar - that there is ONE GOD, in direct opposition to Hindu belief of 3 main dieties and millions of others. The other human forms of that one Jyot that resides in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji consistently presents this in Gurbani. Guru Granth Sahib Ji time and time again tells of the futility of the practices of Pandits and Hindus and how it will not lead to salvation, rather outlining a separate path for Sikhs from Hindus.

This garbage of Sikhism being based on Hinduism is nothing new. Neither is Muslims claiming that Guru Nanak was a Muslim. Tell the Hindus to fight with the Muslims ans whoever wins, we'll give them a listen to.

And for your consideration, "Hindu" is a new concept. Bhai Gurdas Sahib details in his epic Vaaran that the "Hindus" were really a bunch of different followers, evidenced by passages that talk of one Hindu debating another as to his granth's superiority. The word Hindu is not an Indian language derived word - Hindus state it as an excuse that it is the Arabic or Persian word for those who are of the Indus Valley and the H is silent. Whereas the word Hindu, per Bhai Daljit Singh of Damdami Taksal, if researched in the Arabic or Persian dictionary means thieves/robbers.

Hinduism itself is not a religion, because it also encompases practices and heroes of different eras. For instance, Krishna Sahib was an avatar of the Duapar era, whereas Raam Chandra Sahib was an avatar of the Treta era. The conduct of both avatars are quite different - their virtues and views presented in two different granths (Bhagavad Gita, part of Mahabharat, and the Ramayana). Yet, the two different philosophies are considered Hinduism. The Vedas pray to many dieties, and yet the Upanishads give some reference to the one God. Some worship Shiva, some Brahma, some Vishnu and his incarnations, etc. The only unifying concept to this entire religion is the Brahmin pandit and the Manu Simrities. Otherwise, the very practice, dieties and views on spirituality in "Hinduism" vary from village to village (again, some praying to Shiva, some to Ganesh, some to Krishna, and some to multiple dieties).

Being born out of Hinduism? Hardly. Gurbani does use references from the Indian subcontinent, but so what? Gurbani also talks of Baba Adam - does that make us Christians/Muslims/Jews? The parchar was done in the language and the setting of the Indian subcontinent and used appropriate references to relate to the people who were the first Sikhs. That does not make Sikhism a branch of Hinduism (and Muslims claim no less).

[Matheen]

From 33 Swaiyye, Sri Dasam Granth:

ਕਹੂੰ ਲੈ ਠੋਕ ਬਧੇ ਉਰ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਹੇਸ਼ ਕੌ ਏਸ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਕਹਯੋ ਹਰਿ ਮੰਦਰ ਮੈ ਹਰਿ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਸੀਤ ਕੈ ਬੀਚ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਯੋ ॥

कहूं लै ठोक बधे उर ठाकुर काहूं महेश कौ एस बखानयो ॥ काहूं कहयो हरि मंदर मै हरि काहूं मसीत कै बीच प्रमानयो ॥

Someone has tied the stone-idol around his neck and someone has accepted Shiva as the Lord; someone considers the Lord within the temple or the mosque;

ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨੇ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਯੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਕਹੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਨੈ ਅਵਤਾਰਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਬਿਸਾਰ ਸਭੈ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਹੀ ਕਉ ਕਰਤਾ ਜੀਅ ਜਾਨਯੋ ॥੧੨॥

काहूं ने राम कहयो क्रिशना कहु काहूं मनै अवतारन मानयो ॥ फोकट धरम बिसार सभै करतार ही कउ करता जीअ जानयो ॥१२॥

Someone calls him Ram or Krishna and someone believes in His incarnations, but my mind has forsaken all useless actions and has accepted only the One Creator.12.

ਜੌ ਕਹੌ ਰਾਮ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਅਜੈ ਅਤਿ ਕਾਹੇ ਕੌ ਕੌਸ਼ਲ ਕੁੱਖ ਜਯੋ ਜੂ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕਾਲ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹਿ ਕੌ ਕਿਹਿ ਕਾਰਣ ਕਾਲ ਤੇ ਦੀਨ ਭਯੋ ਜੂ ॥

जौ कहौ राम अजोनि अजै अति काहे कौ कौशल कु्ख जयो जू ॥ काल हूं काल कहै जिहि कौ किहि कारण काल ते दीन भयो जू ॥

If we consider Ram, the Lord as Unborn, then how did he take brith from the womb of Kaushalya ? He, who is said to be the KAL (destroyer) of KAL (death), then why did none become subjugated himself before KAL?

ਸੱਤ ਸਰੂਪ ਬਿਬੈਰ ਕਹਾਇ ਸੁ ਕਯੋਂ ਪਥ ਕੌ ਰਥ ਹਾਂਕ ਧਯੋ ਜੂ ॥ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਮਾਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਕੋਊ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਲੇਨ ਲਯੋ ਜੂ ॥੧੩॥

स्त सरूप बिबैर कहाइ सु कयों पथ कौ रथ हांक धयो जू ॥ ताही को मानि प्रभू करि कै जिह को कोऊ भेदु न लेन लयो जू ॥१३॥

If he is called the Truth-incarnate, beyond enmity and opposition, then why did he become the charioteer of Arjuna ? O mind ! you only consider him the Lord God, whose Mysetry could not be known to anyone.13.

ਕਯੋਂ ਕਹੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨਿਧ ਹੈ ਕਿਹ ਕਾਜ ਤੇ ਬੱਧਕ ਬਾਣ ਲਗਾਯੋ ॥ ਅਉਰ ਕੁਲੀਨ ਉਧਾਰਤ ਜੋ ਕਿਹ ਤੇ ਅਪਨੋ ਕੁਲ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਾਯੋ ॥

कयों कहु क्रिशन क्रिपानिध है किह काज ते ब्धक बाण लगायो ॥ अउर कुलीन उधारत जो किह ते अपनो कुल नासु करायो ॥

Krishna himself is considered the treasure of Grace, then why did the hunter shot his arrow at him ? He has been described as redeeming the clans of others then he caused the destruction of his own clan;

ਆਦਿ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਕਹਾਇ ਕਹੋ ਕਿਮ ਦੇਵਕਿ ਕੇ ਜਠਰੰਤਰ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਤਾਤ ਨ ਮਾਤ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਤਿਹ ਕਯੋਂ ਬਸੁਦੇਵਹਿ ਬਾਪੁ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥੧੪॥

आदि अजोनि कहाइ कहो किम देवकि के जठरंतर आयो ॥ तात न मात कहै जिह को तिह कयों बसुदेवहि बापु कहायो ॥१४॥

He is said to be unborn and beginningless, then how did he come into the womb of Devaki ? He , who is considered without any father or mother, then why did he cause Vasudev to be called his father?14.

ਕਾਹੇ ਕੋ ਏਸ਼ ਮਹੇਸ਼ਹਿ ਭਾਖਤ ਕਾਹਿ ਦਿਜੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਏਸ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਹੈ ਨ ਰਘ੍ਵੇਸ਼ ਜਦ੍ਵੇਸ਼ ਰਮਾਪਤਿ ਤੈ ਜਿਨ ਕੌ ਬਿਸ੍ਵਨਾਥ ਪਛਾਨਯੋ ॥

काहे को एश महेशहि भाखत काहि दिजेश को एस बखानयो ॥ है न रघ्वेश जद्वेश रमापति तै जिन कौ बिस्वनाथ पछानयो ॥

Why do you consider Shiva or Brahma as the Lord ? There is none amongst Ram, Krishna and Vishnu, who may be considered as the Lord of the Universe by you;

ਏਕ ਕੋ ਛਾਡਿ ਅਨੇਕ ਭਜੈ ਸੁਕਦੇਵ ਪਰਾਸਰ ਬਯਾਸ ਝੁਠਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਸਜੇ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਕੌ ਬਿਧ ਨੈਕ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਯੋ ॥੧੫॥

एक को छाडि अनेक भजै सुकदेव परासर बयास झुठानयो ॥ फोकट धरम सजे सभ ही हम एक ही कौ बिध नैक प्रमानयो ॥१५॥

Relinquishing the One Lord, you remember many gods and goddesses; in this way you prove Shukdev, Prashar etc. as liars; all the so-called religions are hollow; I only accept the One Lord as the Providence.15.

ਕੋਊ ਦਿਜੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਮਾਨਤ ਹੈ ਅਰੁ ਕੋਊ ਮਹੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਏਸ਼ ਬਤੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਕੋਊ ਕਹੈ ਬਿਸ਼ਨੋ ਬਿਸ਼ਨਾਇਕ ਜਾਹਿ ਭਜੇ ਅਘ ਓਘ ਕਟੈ ਹੈ ॥

कोऊ दिजेश को मानत है अरु कोऊ महेश को एश बतै है ॥ कोऊ कहै बिशनो बिशनाइक जाहि भजे अघ ओघ कटै है ॥

Someone tells Brahma as the Lord-God and someone tells the same thing about Shiva; someone considers Vishnu as the hero of the universe and says that only on remembering him, all the sins will be destroyed;

ਬਾਰ ਹਜ਼ਾਰ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਅਰੇ ਜੜ ਅੰਤ ਸਮੈ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਤਜਿ ਜੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਧਯਾਨ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਿ ਹੀਏ ਜੋਊ ਥੇ ਅਬ ਹੈ ਅਰੁ ਆਗੈ ਊ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਹੈ ॥੧੬॥

बार हज़ार बिचार अरे जड़ अंत समै सभ ही तजि जै है ॥ ताही को धयान प्रमानि हीए जोऊ थे अब है अरु आगै ऊ ह्वै है ॥१६॥

O fool ! think about it a thousand times, all of them will leave you at the time of death, therefore, you should only meditate on Him, who is there in the present and who will also be there in future.16.