Raagmala Steek In English

[HardeepSinghJee 19]

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

One thing I dont understand is guru jee says in Gurbanee jag mei udaam kadhie virle kehee kai. There only few gurmukhs in this world, however people are going around saying he is brahmgyani and they there brahygyani its become a complete joke.

Secondly singhstah and others you are saying that you feel hurt at those who don't believe in raag mala, their taking a page of gurbanee out of Guru Granth Sahib Jee. However if you look at the other side of the story those who dont believe in raag mala, they feel strongly against raag mala being next to saachi amrit baani.

However for panthic unity anti raagmala sangat has taken this issue lightly and accepted akal takhts hukam of raaag mala being in guru jee's paviter saroop.

Furthermore 2nd thing that annoys me is that the youth go around making stories of Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Jee who has wrote: Undithiy Duniyaa, Charan Kamal Ki mauj, anhad shabad dasum duar, sachkhand darshand (5 khands) and people are coming out with stories like (1) Bhai Sahib went to baba jee and admitted raaag mala being gurbanee and then had a peaceful death (2) Bhai Sahib suffered painful death (3) Bhai Sahib has keere coming out of his mouth. There are few others as well.

Now Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Jee did'nt have a "sant" title and his main objective wasnt to give 100,000 people amrit. Bhai Sahibs amrit sanchars (I am refering to Guru Gobind Singh Jee amrit sanchar) 200 people wanted want to take amrit and sat troughout the whole amrit sanchar and only 5 of the 200 only were given amrit. In majority of amrit sanchars bhai sahib did seva only handful would actually took amrit 2,3,4,5 or 6.

Now lets compare Bhai Sahib to other sants. Others sants gave about 100000's of people amrit in there life time and Bhai Sahib only gave about 100-150 people amrit in there life time. If Bhai Sahib was wrong about raag mala it would'nt have much affect because he only had about 100-150 companions, so he doesnt loose much. Where as a sant has 100,000 companions.

The point I am making is Bhai Sahib would;nt lie to loose his image and respect within the singhs, as their were only handful of campanions and Bhai Sahibs aim wasnt to make quantity, it was quality.

[chatanga 1,058]

However for panthic unity anti raagmala sangat has taken this issue lightly and accepted akal takhts hukam of raaag mala being in guru jee's paviter saroop.

good joke!

[BhForce 1,184]

Undithiy Duniyaa, Charan Kamal Ki mauj, anhad shabad dasum duar, sachkhand darshand

A number of posters in this thread have referenced what Bhai Randhir Singh Ji is said to have said. Are there any references to Ragmala in any of the books noted above?

[kam1825 375]

Can i just aska very quick thing before the mods close this thread but it was mentioned that "anti raagmala sangat has taken this issue lightly and accepted akal takhts hukam of raaag mala being in guru jee's paviter saroop"

Other then the Akhand Kirtani Jatha who else opposes the Raagmala?

If it is just one group then it isn't really for panthic unity as it is just one sect of the group fraction.

[khalistan_zindabaad 234]

Anyway, but the book read the arth, get over it, the arth are within gurmat and are the spiritual arths by sant gurbachan singh, i have repeatedly said stuff and have previously told yourselfs who were even present when it happened, so i dont see what your point is, go ask the people, i gave a list before.

If its fairy torys then prove it being wrong, its written in taksaals ithaas to have happened and also the jathedars have stated that bhai sahib jee did meet sant gurbachan singh jee etc.

This thread isnt even about bhai sahib randheer singh its about raagmaalas antreev arth being in english for the first time.

And if you have such an issue i would love to even see you try and take raagmala out guru sahib jees saroop and see what the shaheed singhs have to offer.

[Menu Ke Patha 18]

Anyway, but the book read the arth, get over it, the arth are within gurmat and are the spiritual arths by sant gurbachan singh, i have repeatedly said stuff and have previously told yourselfs who were even present when it happened, so i dont see what your point is, go ask the people, i gave a list before.

If its fairy torys then prove it being wrong, its written in taksaals ithaas to have happened and also the jathedars have stated that bhai sahib jee did meet sant gurbachan singh jee etc.

This thread isnt even about bhai sahib randheer singh its about raagmaalas antreev arth being in english for the first time.

And if you have such an issue i would love to even see you try and take raagmala out guru sahib jees saroop and see what the shaheed singhs have to offer.

daas asked gianee preetam singh jee, and he said that they did meet, he also did alot of ustat of bhai sahibs jeevan, and rehat...

dhan guroo keh sikh!!!!

vaahiguroo!

[khalistan_zindabaad 234]

The above is in no way an attack at a respectable rehatvaan abhiyaasi gursikh bhai sahib bhai randheer singh jee, its just eye witness accounts of what happened when Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh jee with several other singhs went to meet bhai sahib jee

Admin Note: Ask yourself, would you really say that at the end if your intention was any different?

[~P~Kaur~ 1]

just because some1 has written this, does NOT make it true

you can quote as many books and people as you like, but that doesnt make it true either

bhai randhir singh did not belive in raagmala, and this has been verified with many of the singhs who spent most of their lives with him (unlike this one off supposed meeting)

he would not suddenly change his mind

therefore anything suggesting otherwise, is made up/lies/fairytales.

if some1 said now "we have 5 singhs who heard baba thakur singh say raagmala is not bani", and then those singhs wrote a book about it, would you belive that?

you can belive what you want, but lets not bring bhai randhir singhs name onto your side of the argument.

read the book written by bhai sahib " Gurbani Diyan Lagaanmatra Dee Vilakhanta." and you will see his opinion in the section "mundavni"

now surely the most reliable source to find out bhai sahibs opinion, is a book written by bhai sahib.

also, it is possible to make anything mean anything, if one tries hard enough, but why is the other 1429 angs not written like this, with such words, numbering systems, grammar?

[kam1825 375]

it is written in the same manner, please read Sant Tehal Singh Ji's Gur Gira Raagmala!

[khalistan_zindabaad 234]

Get the book and realise which angs are written in a similar form, grammater, wording and numbering.

I have said before, sant gurbachan singh jee was there, sant kartaar singh jee aswell, and a few more singhs.

Why did bhai jeevan singh used to do raagmaala kirtan? its fact based he did it at a singhs house in america/cananda aswell and the jatha in england even confimred it.

Why does channi jee read raagmala and tell others to?

Bhai sahib jees son was present, so was bhai jeevan singh - if people change there minds now thats anoter thing alltogether however you can even ask older jatha singhs and they will agree that they used to read/beleive etc.

It was even written on tapoban from a singh who is in the jatha, he said his grandad was there, he gave his name, dads name and grandads name, at first tapoban said, yeh we know who you are and beated you before, and then denied it saing they dont know the person. its written on record

either way buy the book for the arths that bhai sahib jee beleived raagmala to be bani

[~P~Kaur~ 1]

it is written in the same manner, please read Sant Tehal Singh Ji's Gur Gira Raagmala!

it is CLEARLY not written in the same manner

i dont need to read anything to know this

all one has to do is read the first 1429 angs, then read raagmala

completely diffrent

[raj_karega_khalsa 0]

http://www.khalsaspirit.com/files/Mundavani.pdf ?

[~P~Kaur~ 1]

Get the book and realise which angs are written in a similar form, grammater, wording and numbering.

I have said before, sant gurbachan singh jee was there, sant kartaar singh jee aswell, and a few more singhs.

Why did bhai jeevan singh used to do raagmaala kirtan? its fact based he did it at a singhs house in america/cananda aswell and the jatha in england even confimred it.

Why does channi jee read raagmala and tell others to?

Bhai sahib jees son was present, so was bhai jeevan singh - if people change there minds now thats anoter thing alltogether however you can even ask older jatha singhs and they will agree that they used to read/beleive etc.

It was even written on tapoban from a singh who is in the jatha, he said his grandad was there, he gave his name, dads name and grandads name, at first tapoban said, yeh we know who you are and beated you before, and then denied it saing they dont know the person. its written on record

either way buy the book for the arths that bhai sahib jee beleived raagmala to be bani

i know of singhs who stayed with bhai randhir singh for years they confirm he never belived in it

as i said before, anyone can say what they want, bhai sahib was a man of principles and if he did change his beleif it would have been written, it would have been wide spread, all the singhs staying with him would have know.

this is not the case.

yes you can say who you want was there, that doesnt change anything

any person can write something on tapoban or give names of people

because this rumour has been spread, more and mroe people belive it, that doesnt make it true.

read bhai sahibs book. full stop

you are going to belive other people on bhai sahibs view rather than bhai sahib himself?

thts not very clever.

[khalistan_zindabaad 234]

Anyway, read the spiritual arths of raagmala and then decide... Its funny as someone can even tell you to ask people who were there but you wudnt even do that. Such dridta in bhai sahib jee, dhan hai dhan hai your faith in a gurmukh.

If only we had the same faith in guru jees 1430 angs, then that would be dhan dhan dhan dhan

[~P~Kaur~ 1]

Anyway, read the spiritual arths of raagmala and then decide... Its funny as someone can even tell you to ask people who were there but you wudnt even do that. Such dridta in bhai sahib jee, dhan hai dhan hai your faith in a gurmukh.

If only we had the same faith in guru jees 1430 angs, then that would be dhan dhan dhan dhan

faith that bhai sahib was not a liar

yeah im pretty sure he wasnt

one of the greatest gurmukhs of 20th century wouldnt lie

i have read and decided