Raagmala Steek In English

[chatanga]

Bhai Sahib since you have taken the liberty to translate these writings please do give us a brief explanation on the following questions

1. Who wrote Rag Mala?

2. Why is the numbering system so different compared to the Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?

3. Most importantly what is the Gurmat principle behind Rag Mala? Meaning what is the Hukum of Raag Mala?

thanks in advance

sukhdeep singhji, you havent asnwered the questions i asked you over 2 weeks ago about in the topic about vajas, why are you here asking others questions when you dont feel inclined to answer any yourself?

you know the question. please oblige us with an answer. then ask any questions you may have.

i will thank you in advance.

[BhForce]

Brothers, please let's not get into the Rag Mala issue per se.

Just keep the thread about kam1825's book.

[Sukhdeep Singhh]

Bhai Sahib since you have taken the liberty to translate these writings please do give us a brief explanation on the following questions

1. Who wrote Rag Mala?

2. Why is the numbering system so different compared to the Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?

3. Most importantly what is the Gurmat principle behind Rag Mala? Meaning what is the Hukum of Raag Mala?

thanks in advance

sukhdeep singhji, you havent asnwered the questions i asked you over 2 weeks ago about in the topic about vajas, why are you here asking others questions when you dont feel inclined to answer any yourself?

you know the question. please oblige us with an answer. then ask any questions you may have.

i will thank you in advance.

I have provided enough answers to that post. You have never addressed any of my points . It seems like you are in the business of just debating about things . Why else would you come on this thread and ask such a naive question? If you wanted a reply you can have PM'd me. So my reply to you is

mUrKY nwil n luJIAY ]19]

moorakhai naal n lujheeai ||19||

Don't argue with fools. ||19||

[chatanga]

sukhdeep singh, what a liar you are! and a bloody hypocrit as well!

where did you answer the question that i asked you?

i waited for a week but you gave no reply even tho the quetion was directly at you.

why hide behind pm ?

you can give any answers in front of the sangat.

why didnt you pm KAM yourself, if PM talk is better for you?

why ask the question in the post in front of everyone and then try to hide behind PM if someone wants to ask you a question?

you are a hypocrit! you only call others idiots to hide your own hypocrisy.

no wonder panth is in such a mess. I will ask you again to answer the question that i asked you over 3 weeks ago.

dont try to be smart and post 1-liners from Bani.

[khalistan_zindabaad]

1) Guru Arjan Dev Jee

2)Jap Ji Sahib Jee has 2 1s in the start, the book contains the answer to this question and gives other banis with 1s coming throughout - the numbering

3) - Prem Mala - the mala of love - how to get to god.

e.g. from raagmala

Question 04 – How should a person recite the name of God?

Guru Arjan Dev Ji replied

pMc rwgnI sµig aucrhI ]

Panch Raagnee Sang Ucharhee

Panch = great, Raagnee = love, Sang = with, Ucharhee = recite

With great or superior love an individual should recite the name

of God.

pRB kI pRIiq irdY inrml nwm ]

Due to the love of God within the individual the name of the Lord resides

within their heart.

(Aasaa Mahalla 5 – ang 391 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji)

60 points are answered in raagmaala on how to get to god, please read the book and the arth and then get into the debates, sant giani gurbachan singh jee were dhan dhan for giving these blessed arth, passed down from guru gobind singh jee and preserved in his taksal.

[s50]

is this kind of post necessary at this current time???

we all know the answer so stop being clever, and talk about it later

[khalistan_zindabaad]

Some of the Questions answered by Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Arjan Dev Jee in Sri Raagmaala, everyone should purchase the book, its the first time Sant Gurbachan Singh Jee's Spiritual Arths have been written in English and those of Sant Tehal Singh Jee's works and Sant Amir Singh Jee Sato Ki Galee vaaleh

10 Questions are below, which maharaj jee answered in Raagmala, for the answers purchase the book

Question 01 – O King, how does one make their five sense

organs great or pure?

Question 02 – Who remembers the one Lord?

Question 03 – How does a person initially gain love or fall

in love with God?

Question 04 – How should a person recite the name of God?

Question 05 – How does the individual gain a blissful

state?

Question 06 – How does duality disappear or become

eradicated?

Question 07 – How can the individual’s meditation become

a continuous flow of the Lord’s name?

Question 08 – How does one bring their mind become under

subjection?

Question 09 – How does one adopt the five elements? When

does the individual become similar to the five elements?

Question 10 – How does one sing and praises of God and

at the same time take the praises of the husband of

Maya into their heart?

[Guest Bloom]

Also In My Opinion,

They will be Those that Speak up Against Sri RaagMaalaa Because of Their Love of Gursikhs, and They Will Always be Those That Love and Speak For Sri RaagMaalaa, because of their Love of Gurmukhs!!!!!!

There are Those who Will Speak out Against Sri RaagMaala because of Their Love of Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji and Perhaps Other Gursikhs. And There are Those that Will Love and Speak For Sri RaagMaalaa Because of Their Love for Gurmukhs Such as Baba GurBachan Singh Ji Khalsa and Other Gursikhs!!!!!

There will be those that are Fighting to Keep up the Honor of Their Beloveds Gurmukhs! We should not make THEM fight!! That is what we are Doing!! We are Making Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji and Sant Baba GurBachan Singh Ji Fight!! They Would not Want That in My Opinion!!!

Lets Concentrate also on the 1429 Angs We Have in Common!! Sri RaagMaalaa Sahib must Always Be in Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji!!!!! Ratio we have in Common is 1430:1!! Lets Not let the 1 Cause Us to Divide Us Again!!!!! (Kala Afgana and Gang Use This Tactic to Divide as Well!!)

There Will Always Be Those Gursikhs Who can Give Very Beautiful Deep Meanings of Sri RaagMaaalaa!! Baba GurBachan Singh Ji Must be Respected Too!!!!!

Those that Do Want to Remove Sri RaagMaalaa from Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji through Sarbat Khalsa have to accept with Prem that that CANNOT OCCUR!!!!! Panth Aashikhs (Lovers of United Khalsa Panth) Singhs and Kaurs Always have Sri RaagMaalaa in Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji!!!!! There are Many Gurmukhs of Past including Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji who Loved Sri RaagMalaa!!!!! It will be a Maha Paap to Remove Sri RaagMaalaa from Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji; For it Would be an ATTACK also on Sarbat Guru Khalsa Panth!!!!! (Anti Khalsa Panth People Will Be Using this To Further ATTACK Khalsa Dharma!!!!! Kala Afgana, Etc have already ATTACKED Sri RaagMaalaa!!!!! This is the Tactic They Use to ATTACK Entire Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji!!!!!)

Let us Not Fight to end up becoming like 'darshan ragis'!!

There is So Much we Have to Do to Bring Chardi Kala to Khalsa Panth!! Arguing over Sri RaagMaalaa is not Productive!!!!!

Do Not Argue about Sri RaagMaalaa Sahib; Please!!!!! TILL DEATH!!!!!

THE ENEMIES OF THE PANTH WANT YOU TO DO THAT!!! IT IS A VICIOUS FIGHTING CYCLE THAT CAN NEVER END!!!!! KHALSA WILL ONLY END UP FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER!!!!!

Gursikhs Such as Sant Baba GurBachan Singh Ji Also Hold Very High Esteem in Sikh Panth!!!!!

Chardi Kala!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Dasam Patshah Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan RehitVaan Panj Pyareh, Khande-Pahul Amrit, and Khalsa Rehit!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Ji Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Nand Lal Singh Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Singh Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bani in the Palace of Guru Gobind Singh Ji!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Gurus' Raags!!!!! Dhan Dhan Gurus' Instruments!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Simran!!!!! Dhan Dhan NishKhaam Seva!!!!! Dhan Dhan Gurus' Daswandh!!!!!

[HardeepSinghJee]

1) Guru Arjan Dev Jee

2)Jap Ji Sahib Jee has 2 1s in the start, the book contains the answer to this question and gives other banis with 1s coming throughout - the numbering

3) - Prem Mala - the mala of love - how to get to god.

e.g. from raagmala

Question 04 How should a person recite the name of God?

Guru Arjan Dev Ji replied

pMc rwgnI sµig aucrhI ]

Panch Raagnee Sang Ucharhee

Panch = great, Raagnee = love, Sang = with, Ucharhee = recite

With great or superior love an individual should recite the name

of God.

pRB kI pRIiq irdY inrml nwm ]

Due to the love of God within the individual the name of the Lord resides

within their heart.

(Aasaa Mahalla 5 ang 391 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji)

60 points are answered in raagmaala on how to get to god, please read the book and the arth and then get into the debates, sant giani gurbachan singh jee were dhan dhan for giving these blessed arth, passed down from guru gobind singh jee and preserved in his taksal.

] jpu ] (1-3, mÚ 1)

jap.

Chant And Meditate:

Awid scu jugwid scu ] (1-4, jpu, mÚ 1)

aad sach jugaad sach.

True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.

hY BI scu nwnk hosI BI scu ]1] (1-4, jpu, mÚ 1)

hai bhee sach naanak hosee bhee sach. ||1||

True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||

socY soic n hoveI jy socI lK vwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

sochai soch na hova-ee jay sochee lakh vaar.

By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.

cupY cup n hoveI jy lwie rhw ilv qwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

chupai chup na hova-ee jay laa-ay rahaa liv taar.

By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.

BuiKAw BuK n auqrI jy bMnw purIAw Bwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

bhukhi-aa bhukh na utree jay bannaa puree-aa bhaar.

The hunger of the hungry is not appeased, even by piling up loads of worldly goods.

shs isAwxpw lK hoih q iek n clY nwil ] (1-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

sahas si-aanpaa lakh hohi ta ik na chalai naal.

Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end.

ikv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ] (1-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

kiv sachi-aaraa ho-ee-ai kiv koorhai tutai paal.

So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]1] (1-7, jpu, mÚ 1)

hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal. ||1||

O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||

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Bhai Khalistan Zindabad Singh Khalsa Jee the reason for the 2 "1's" is because:

THIS IS A SLOK

socY soic n hoveI jy socI lK vwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

sochai soch na hova-ee jay sochee lakh vaar.

By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.

cupY cup n hoveI jy lwie rhw ilv qwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

chupai chup na hova-ee jay laa-ay rahaa liv taar.

By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.

THIS IS A PAUREE

socY soic n hoveI jy socI lK vwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

sochai soch na hova-ee jay sochee lakh vaar.

By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.

cupY cup n hoveI jy lwie rhw ilv qwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

chupai chup na hova-ee jay laa-ay rahaa liv taar.

By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.

BuiKAw BuK n auqrI jy bMnw purIAw Bwr ] (1-5, jpu, mÚ 1)

bhukhi-aa bhukh na utree jay bannaa puree-aa bhaar.

The hunger of the hungry is not appeased, even by piling up loads of worldly goods.

shs isAwxpw lK hoih q iek n clY nwil ] (1-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

sahas si-aanpaa lakh hohi ta ik na chalai naal.

Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end.

ikv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ] (1-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

kiv sachi-aaraa ho-ee-ai kiv koorhai tutai paal.

So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]1] (1-7, jpu, mÚ 1)

hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal. ||1||

O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||

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This is the reason for the 2 1's. Furthermore if you look at raagmala's numbering system it doesnt fit according to Guru jee's numbering system.

Furthermore If you study Guru Granth Sahib jee's structure where a shabad, then astapadi, then cchant. Also the guru's baania come in order and then bhagat baani.

Following this example in reality mundavnee mehalla 5 and slok mehalla 5 tere keeta jatoo should come before slok mehelaa 9 jee's baani which is Guru Teghbahadar jee's baani. However guru jee placed mundavnee and slok mehalla 5 after slok mehlla 9 because mundavnee is the seal of guru granth sahib Jee.

Takes some time out and actually study the structure of each raag and then you will realise.

VaahegurooJeeKaaKhaalsaa, VaahegurooJeeKeeFaateh!!

[PSD]

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