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So its clear that this so called offer of an independent state made to the Sikhs is based on speculations.

Maybe in your eyes bro.

i am going to type an exerpt fro a secret letter between 2 ministers at the time of partition, both british. It is from SE Abott to GEB Abell, dated 31.3.47.

In this letter, Abott has written about the 3 communities in panjab, and what they are thinking.

Here are three lines pertaining to each community:

1. The Muslims are still intent on Pakistan, which they are unable to explain or define...

2. The Sikhs want a state of their own. The latest plans are for it to include Jalandhar and Ambala division, Gurdaspur Dist, and part of Amritsar Dist. This state would not really be a Sikh state as it would still leave Sikhs as a minority. The SIkhs may regard this plan as a stage in the acheivement of their general design.

3. The hindus would accept anything sanctioned by Congress, and/or anything likely to annoy the Muslims.

Now you can clearly see from this document that the Sikhs definitly had ideas about their own state, and had made progress in formulating a map of where this Sikh state was to be. The major stumbling block for the SIkhs was that our overall percentage of population was poor compared to muslims and hindus.

But your claim that no state was offered by the british, or desired or claimed by the Sikhs is false.

Quote"Alas, it was not meant for Khalsa to have a country given to them. Surely, one day we will have it. "

Absolutely. The sooner the better.

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Sorry I forgot to mention in 1947 there was a claim for Sikhistan not Khalistan. The term Khalistan had not been coined then.

In 1944, english author Beverley Nichols wrote a book called 'Verdict On India'. I came across a battered first edition (printed in 1944) in a charity shop in Camden a few years ago.

http://www.archive.org/details/VerdictOnIndia

There are clear references made to "Khalistan" in this book. I will scan the relevent pages when I get home this evening...but it highlights that the terminology "Khalistan" was in use in the 1940s.

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In 1944, english author Beverley Nichols wrote a book called 'Verdict On India'. I came across a battered first edition (printed in 1944) in a charity shop in Camden a few years ago.

http://www.archive.org/details/VerdictOnIndia

There are clear references made to "Khalistan" in this book. I will scan the relevent pages when I get home this evening...but it highlights that the terminology "Khalistan" was in use in the 1940s.

Found one reference. See link below.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LqkuYUv4Ls4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=verdict+on+India&source=bl&ots=Igo841mHl1&sig=sbXiX4q1BP3SDdd9pHNkvm75ewM&hl=en&ei=b51uTOOQE4WUjAe18eH7CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Refer to Page 15, 3 paragraph down.

Quote from book 'If you grant Pakistan,' they cry, ' we shall set up a separate Sikh State of our own. We shall call it Khalistan, and we shall defend it to death.'

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yes indeed separate sikh independent sikh state was offered by the britishers to the sikh leaders...though we may never be able to know whether it was a true offer for sikhs welfare or just to dissociate sikhs from congress and hindus or for some other british interests...it is because the offers were never put on the papers due to lack of interest by sikh leaders...Kindly have a look at the following notes---

1) In the year 1932, at the time of the second Round Table Conference, the British Government through Sardar Bahadur Shivdev Singh, then a member of the Indian Secretary of State's Council, made an informal proposal to the Sikhs that if they dissociate finally with the Congress movement, they would be given such a decisive political weightage in Punjab, as would lead to their emerging a third independent element in India and the British transfer power to inhabitants of this subcontinent. Master Tara Singh promptly rejected the tempting offer.

2) In the early winter of 1946, Cabinet Mission, while at Delhi communicated to the Sikhs through the Sardar Baldev Singh that if the Sikhs determined not to part company with India, the British Parliament, in their solicitude for the Sikh people, prepared to so frame the Independence Act of India, that in respect of the Sikh Homeland, wherever these areas might eventually go, in Pakistan or India, no Constitution shall be formed such as does not have the concurrence of the Sikhs. But Sardar Baldev Singh, in consultation with the Congress leaders, summarily rejected this offer, which went even beyond assurances given by the majority community in 1929 and in 1946 by Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru in Calcutta.

3) In April 1947, Mr. Jinnah, in consultation with certain most powerful leaders of the British Cabinet in London, offered to the Sikhs, first through Master Tara Singh and then through the Maharaja of Patiala, a sovereign Sikh state comprising areas lying in the west of Panipat and east of the left bank of the Ravi river on the understanding that this State then confederates with Pakistan on very advantageous terms to the Sikhs. But Master Tara Singh summarily rejected this attractive offer. The Maharaja of Patiala declined to accept it in consultation with Sardar Patel and Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru.

4) In the month of May, 1947, precisely on the 17th May, Lord Mountbatten, Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, Nawab Liaqat Ali Khan and Sardar Baldev Singh, flew to London on the invitation of the British Cabinet, in search of final solution of the Indian communal problem. When the Congress and the Muslim League failed to strike any mutual understanding and Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru decided to return to India, the British Cabinet leaders conveyed to Sardar Baldev Singh that if he stays behind, arrangements might be made: "So as to enable the Sikhs to have political feet of their own on which they may walk into the current of World History." Sardar Baldev Singh promtly divulged the contents of this confidential offer to Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru and in compliance with the latter's wishes, declined to stay back and flew back to India after giving the following brave message to the Press: "The Sikhs have no demands to make on the British except the demand that they should quit India. Whatever political rights and aspirations the Sikhs have, they shall have them satisfied through the goodwil of the Congress and the majority community."

The British leaders had asked Sardar Baldev Singh to stay behind because the wanted to propose to him that if Sikhs were not ready to enter into the agreement with Muslims, then the Sikhs could be given an independent state which extended from Panipat to Nanakana Sahib with extended excess upto the seashore. The Britishers were ready to station 25,000 British troops and war equipment for ten years and provide help in the administration provided the Sikhs agreed to provide 50,000 soldiers be stationed at Singapore and other colonies to help the Britishers for the next ten years. After ten years the agreement could be reconsidered. Through this agreement the administration and defence of independent Khalistan would have been ensured and there would have been no need to enter into an agreement with either India or Pakistan for the purposes of their administration and defence. Even Muslim League had agreed this proposal because it would give then strong buffer state between Pakistan and India. It was also in the interest British empire as they would still have their feet in this sub-continent. But was unfortunate that there was no leader among the Sikhs with political vision foresight who could see the benefits such an arrangement and demand independent Homeland for the Sikhs.

Sirdar Kapur Singh has also mentioned the same points in his speech in indian parliament on 6th september 1966...coupled with the betrayl of the congress leadership...hence it is totally a wrong thing to rule out the possibility of a separate sikh state being offered to the sikhs...however as i said earlier it is not possible to find how much substane these offers carried as sikh leaders rejected these at the very first stage and were never put on the papers...!

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yes indeed separate sikh independent sikh state was offered by the britishers to the sikh leaders...though we may never be able to know whether it was a true offer for sikhs welfare or just to dissociate sikhs from congress and hindus or for some other british interests...it is because the offers were never put on the papers due to lack of interest by sikh leaders...Kindly have a look at the following notes---

1) In the year 1932, at the time of the second Round Table Conference, the British Government through Sardar Bahadur Shivdev Singh, then a member of the Indian Secretary of State's Council, made an informal proposal to the Sikhs that if they dissociate finally with the Congress movement, they would be given such a decisive political weightage in Punjab, as would lead to their emerging a third independent element in India and the British transfer power to inhabitants of this subcontinent. Master Tara Singh promptly rejected the tempting offer.

2) In the early winter of 1946, Cabinet Mission, while at Delhi communicated to the Sikhs through the Sardar Baldev Singh that if the Sikhs determined not to part company with India, the British Parliament, in their solicitude for the Sikh people, prepared to so frame the Independence Act of India, that in respect of the Sikh Homeland, wherever these areas might eventually go, in Pakistan or India, no Constitution shall be formed such as does not have the concurrence of the Sikhs. But Sardar Baldev Singh, in consultation with the Congress leaders, summarily rejected this offer, which went even beyond assurances given by the majority community in 1929 and in 1946 by Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru in Calcutta.

3) In April 1947, Mr. Jinnah, in consultation with certain most powerful leaders of the British Cabinet in London, offered to the Sikhs, first through Master Tara Singh and then through the Maharaja of Patiala, a sovereign Sikh state comprising areas lying in the west of Panipat and east of the left bank of the Ravi river on the understanding that this State then confederates with Pakistan on very advantageous terms to the Sikhs. But Master Tara Singh summarily rejected this attractive offer. The Maharaja of Patiala declined to accept it in consultation with Sardar Patel and Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru.

4) In the month of May, 1947, precisely on the 17th May, Lord Mountbatten, Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, Nawab Liaqat Ali Khan and Sardar Baldev Singh, flew to London on the invitation of the British Cabinet, in search of final solution of the Indian communal problem. When the Congress and the Muslim League failed to strike any mutual understanding and Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru decided to return to India, the British Cabinet leaders conveyed to Sardar Baldev Singh that if he stays behind, arrangements might be made: "So as to enable the Sikhs to have political feet of their own on which they may walk into the current of World History." Sardar Baldev Singh promtly divulged the contents of this confidential offer to Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru and in compliance with the latter's wishes, declined to stay back and flew back to India after giving the following brave message to the Press: "The Sikhs have no demands to make on the British except the demand that they should quit India. Whatever political rights and aspirations the Sikhs have, they shall have them satisfied through the goodwil of the Congress and the majority community."

The British leaders had asked Sardar Baldev Singh to stay behind because the wanted to propose to him that if Sikhs were not ready to enter into the agreement with Muslims, then the Sikhs could be given an independent state which extended from Panipat to Nanakana Sahib with extended excess upto the seashore. The Britishers were ready to station 25,000 British troops and war equipment for ten years and provide help in the administration provided the Sikhs agreed to provide 50,000 soldiers be stationed at Singapore and other colonies to help the Britishers for the next ten years. After ten years the agreement could be reconsidered. Through this agreement the administration and defence of independent Khalistan would have been ensured and there would have been no need to enter into an agreement with either India or Pakistan for the purposes of their administration and defence. Even Muslim League had agreed this proposal because it would give then strong buffer state between Pakistan and India. It was also in the interest British empire as they would still have their feet in this sub-continent. But was unfortunate that there was no leader among the Sikhs with political vision foresight who could see the benefits such an arrangement and demand independent Homeland for the Sikhs.

Sirdar Kapur Singh has also mentioned the same points in his speech in indian parliament on 6th september 1966...coupled with the betrayl of the congress leadership...hence it is totally a wrong thing to rule out the possibility of a separate sikh state being offered to the sikhs...however as i said earlier it is not possible to find how much substane these offers carried as sikh leaders rejected these at the very first stage and were never put on the papers...!

Also Winston Churchill sent Stafford Cripps to India in 1942 to get continued Indian support for the war and in return give definite plans for Independence. Winston Churchill admired the Sikhs having served with them on the North West frontier when he was young, he and Leo Amery the Minister for India new the Sikhs were needed for the war and gave them a plan for a seperate homeland. Churchill disliked Nehru and Gandhi who he thought were devious and troublemakers (shame our leaders did not see it). But Baldev Singh told Nehru who talked him out of it , giving vague assurances that they could have their state when joining India. The rest is history as they say, India does not even recognise the Sikhs as the 3rd party at the talks now . The term Khalistan was raised by Dr Bhatti in 1940.

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Its nonsense....British never offered a free state to the Sikhs. There is no record of this.

But as Kapur Singh wrote in his Saachi Saakhi, Muslim League gave a verbal offer to the Sikhs to have a sub nation within Pakistan. And this was never acceptable to the Sikhs, given the history the Sikhs had with Muslim rulers.

Dr. Kirpal Singh, an acclaimed Sikh historian and Head of History Department, Punjab University, who has done thorough research on the Partition of Punjab and has also written a thesis on this subject, also says that there was no such offer to Sikhs. He also says that Muslim League offered a sub state to the Sikhs within Pakistan. That would mean the whole of Punjab would go under Pakistan. The Sikh leaders asked if they have a choice and possibility to come out of this in 10 years if things dont work fine. The Muslim League said, No. The Sikhs asked if they can be given anything in writing on this, and the League didnt agree on this either.

According to him it was wise deicision by the Sikh leadership that they didnt accept Mulsim League's offer of a sub-state.

Rest is history...

Sat Sri Akal Ji,

Please read below link [Courtesy of Dr Santokh Singh]

http://www.panthkhal...aj/raj_1947.php

Striking Part of the article is as below:

In the month of May, 1947, precisely on the 17th May, Lord Mountbatten, Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, Nawab Liaqat Ali Khan and Sardar Baldev Singh, flew to London on the invitation of the British Cabinet, in search of final solution of the Indian communal problem. When the Congress and the Muslim League failed to strike any mutual understanding and Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru decided to return to India, the British Cabinet leaders conveyed to Sardar Baldev Singh that if he stays behind, arrangements might be made: "So as to enable the Sikhs to have political feet of their own on which they may walk into the current of World History." Sardar Baldev Singh promtly divulged the contents of this confidential offer to Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru and in compliance with the latter's wishes, declined to stay back and flew back to India after giving the following brave message to the Press: "The Sikhs have no demands to make on the British except the demand that they should quit India. Whatever political rights and aspirations the Sikhs have, they shall have them satisfied through the goodwil of the Congress and the majority community."

The British leaders had asked Sardar Baldev Singh to stay behind because the wanted to propose to him that if Sikhs were not ready to enter into the agreement with Muslims, then the Sikhs could be given an independent state which extended from Panipat to Nanakana Sahib with extended excess upto the seashore. The Britishers were ready to station 25,000 British troops and war equipment for ten years and provide help in the administration provided the Sikhs agreed to provide 50,000 soldiers be stationed at Singapore and other colonies to help the Britishers for the next ten years. After ten years the agreement could be reconsidered. Through this agreement the administration and defence of independent Khalistan would have been ensured and there would have been no need to enter into an agreement with either India or Pakistan for the purposes of their administration and defence. Even Muslim League had agreed this proposal because it would give then strong buffer state between Pakistan and India. It was also in the interest British empire as they would still have their feet in this sub-continent. But was unfortunate that there was no leader among the Sikhs with political vision foresight who could see the benefits such an arrangement and demand independent Homeland for the Sikhs

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Yes SIkhs were offered a separate state. There are quotes of Gandhi and Nehru promising Sikhs political equality and rights if they joined india. They said something to this extent, "if you're not happy for any reason you will have justification for drawing the sword like Guru Gobind Singh Ji did"

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Moving from here - What lesson should we learn from history?

This might be a small slice/share which we haven't got in the past and we should not worry for ever for that - some big reward for us might be lying in the future - for which we really need take a positive lesson from whatever has happened in the past.

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Moving from here - What lesson should we learn from history?

This might be a small slice/share which we haven't got in the past and we should not worry for ever for that - some big reward for us might be lying in the future - for which we really need take a positive lesson from whatever has happened in the past.

Very Nice thought singh saab.

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Very Nice thought singh saab.

yeah, sometimes it the thought that counts isnt it.

The main lesson i learnt from it, is that I cannot trust any of the regimes that rule from Delhi. Otherwise i would be trhe biggest fool on the planet.

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Ok - My Opinion - , what really we should learn is -

Who betrayed Mata Gujri Ji and was responsible for matrydom of Chotte Sahibzade?

Who were responsible for matrydom of Guru Arjan Dev Ji?

Who were responsible for Fall of Sikh Kingdom - Maharaja Ranjit Singh?

Who was responsible for Fall of Mysore Kingdom - Tipu Sultan?

Who were the key people who betrayed Sikhs post 1947?

I would advise at least my young gnerations to be cautious and stay away from these people in case we have to gain the mighty kingdom again and also more importantly sustain these kingdoms (I won't be too open to list any particular races etc. over here).

WJKK WJKF.

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Yes we must learn from our history and use the knowledge gains in our current morcha. The one thing we can learn from this is :

YOU CANT TRUST FREEDOM IF ITS NOT IN YOUR HANDS!!

I say we move towards an independent Socialist Republic on the Punjab Plateau initially taking land from the fascist federation of hindustan and then when we are strong enough reclaim our capital of Lahore and all places which beling to the hands of the Khalsa such as Nankana Sahib and not trust them in the hands of Turaks. The key here is to not only read our own history, but that of other revolutionary people especially the ones who have established an independant free equal socialist state for their people. i.e, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua. We must not aim to completely emulate their economic and agricultural models as they have flaws and are not suited to the fertile lands of Punjab. If we all unite under 1 flag as 1 people no government not even a "superpower" like india or the usa can stop us because we have the greatest superpower: the gift on Naam!

Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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