Libya

[Hammertime007]

What's your views on the west and a few others making decisions for countries they don't Govern.

We are in recession the Budget for the defence has been cut British soldiers have been sent to Afghan and Iraq, now with all this they are packed of to Libya.

For a start what business is it of Britain or anyone else of internal issues of other countries? Do Libya a come here and bombard us? No

Our soldiers are needed here in the U.K protecting our borders, on our streets, where islamistion and extremists are a threat. Britain produces more Muslim terrorist than the rest of U.K put together. We need our solders here.

Thoughts go back to the early 70s when Indra took Sikh soldiers and made them fight in war in which was nothing to do with Sikhs or India, what the Bangladeshis and Pakistani done was their own affairs . (I don't support Khalistan) Our Sikh solders are needed on the border protecting our land our jermeen our Hertidge not fighting with siri Lankans, on a issues which are nothing to do with us.

India needs to send Hindu soldiers to stop these Bangladeshi refugees coming, they are spreading in India, and will start coming to Punjab soon as that's where work and money is.

Fair enough bhaer come to Punjab work as servants and slog out on the farm while we do the paper work and purchasing, end of the day bahier in Punjab gets 2-3000 rs a month he wouldn't get have that in Bihar, but they need to kept under manners i.e. No voting rights.

[KhalistaniGunMan]

Lets just say Imperialism is alive and kicking...

[sall]

WJKK WJKF

Indeed - economic imperialism- excuse mainly is war is good for the economy -these are their own words on previous wars

, now they US/UK can print even more money than ever before. World gone mad- but hey gaddafi is a butcher and he deserves every one of those missiles without a doubt-- soin the name of saving all those humans. One wonders why they haven't done the same to mugabee another butcher--

these boyz create crashes and recoveries for exploiting joe average dumb money

[malkeet]

I personally feel that the wests interest in this conflict is for oil and more dominance in the middle east. I would like to think that they are following khalsa ideals of helping the oppressed, but they are just as bad as some of these dictators in some ways. They dont mention how many innocent people were killed in the iraq and afghanistan wars, innocent lives are just seen as collateral damage. Unfortunately, innocent blood will be spilt in libya too.

[HSD1]

So Hammertime, you dont believe in Khalistan yet you want sikhs soldiers only to serve in Punjab and not all over india, which is what most of the recruits to the hindustani army do. Hmmmm ok.

As for imperialism, we have no idea where this war will lead. Britain is loosing 3 million pounds each day that the no fly zone exists and Gaddafi stays in power. That is an awful lot of money especially in these times of austerity. As the campaign intensifies the costs will only increase. The west will probably supply the rebels with weapons but these rebels will still have to do the fighting. They dont have the training or organisation to achieve this. As they push west they will have to fight Gaddafi's forces in built up areas. If Gaddafi arms his loyal supporters it will turn into a fight of attrition, something the rebels wont like. As you cant drop guided bombs in built up areas the west may be forced to either deploy troops or to make peace with Gaddafi. Either way it will lead to uncomfortable situations and probable loss of face. Many in the middle east know this and have already avoided helping in the missions. Unfortunately for the west they dont know when to get stuck in and when to stay away or even what to do to make the best of a bad situation. They made their bed, now they have to lie in it.

[S1ngh]

Indira Gandhi killed more of her citizens than gadhafi ever did and that too in broad daylight and in the capital city of India..They (UN) didn't came to help us or trying to help kashmiris.. they asked manmohan singh once in un and he said everything is perfectly fine and under control and these same ppl (UN) took his word and never tried to help us even after we lost 250,000 sikhs in just a decade. Saying that they went into libya to protect innocent people is just all false eye wash as they don't give a hoot to any non-american/british/french human life.

Obama is going to suffer by this libya decision and he will suffer big loss in his upcoming elections if he didn't finish this mess within few weeks. Obama never wanted to go on war with libya but he had to concede and go along with his allies (France and UK).. We owe them lots of favor during afghan/iraq war and this might be giving thanks to them.. US Ground forces is way out of books and will not enter libya anytime now or in future..

[Harjeet]

Hello guys, from the best of my ability, i'm going to attempt to describe whats really going on. Only vaguely though.

Listen the true agenda of why the UN is now coming into the middle east, is because the dictators like Gaddafi have served their usefulness. Now they want to get rid of these dictators (that they themselves originally put in), so they can implement new leaders that will be more subservient to the one world government plan. The "new world order." A police state designed to enslave all of humanity.

Recently we saw the same thing happen in Egypt, and many other countries. But in Egypt, notice how Hosni Mubarak, as soon as he was made to leave he entered a coma, and now we have all of a sudden not heard anything from him. That was to shut him up from telling the truth. Before this he even said it was "foreign conspiracy".

This is pretty complicated to explain, the revolutions going on now in the middle east, are kind of real. In the terms that, yes people are hungry, yes people are starving, so the people do have real things to complain about, and they should be revolting. But these revolutions were manufactered by the CIA. If people were clever enough to start revolutions on there own. They would have done it years ago.

So the CIA through things like twitter, organised these revolutions, because the people do have problems to complain about for sure, however the CIA's goal is not really to help the people, it is so they can throw away the dictator puppet, for another puppet that will be more useful to the "new world order."

Like the "muslim brother hood" in Egypt that is now gaining alot of power, well who created them? MI5 and the CIA are responsible for their creation. Because groups like MI5 the CIA, they are all working for the agenda, of a "new world order", ran by a very few people "at the top." Also That guy Mohamed Elbaradei who is now a possible candidate and most likely to run Egypt in the future. He worked in the CIA! So there is your proof. Listen im being extremely vague, because it would take forever to explain this. Look into yourselves you will shocked.

Look what Ron Paul had to say. http://www.infowars....rld-government/

Now the same thing is happening all over the middle east. Control of the oil supplies, is not the main goal, but they will take advantage of it.

The UN is actually failing in Libya, because there are alot of people loyal to Gaddafi there, as he isn't the worst person in the world, he was even anti-abortion in some cases, which is better than the west, who promote abortion regularly. Thats why they have introduced a no fly zone, so they can send UN troops to force Gadaffi out, because actually many people still like him there. That proves it is a UN takeover, they don't care about the people. It came out in the news that some of the UN troops injured the people they were supposed to helping. So they don't care. The situation in Libya has made oil prices across the world go up, but Libya only supplies less than 2% of the world oil. Did you know America has enough oil reserves to last more than hundred years! They haven't told you about its existance yet(on the media), but when the price of oil would have gone way up, only then will they start to release this.

There is a guy called Lindsey William's who is a pastor, who worked for this "elite NWO group", and he predicted all this was going to happen years ago, because they told him. Just go onto youtube. And he correctly predicted when all the oil prices where going to go up and come back down, and every single time he has been right. Because he has contacts with the "insiders" You see everything that happens in our world is not an accident. It has been engineered. There are alot of people who have predicted all this was going to happen years ago too, not just him. It is also being used to keep our attention away from bigger things that are happening right now in China and Russia. Something that they are planning to lead to a World war 3. But we can stop this, if we wake up to the truth.

The presidents like Obama, uk Prime minister David Cameron, all the world leaders, well they are all under MIND CONTROL, they work the "elite" These guys own all the banks, wallstreet whatever.

There is a mass conspiracy, which has been kept hidden from you. Its so freaking weird. Its like in that film where it says "you want the truth, you can't handle the truth" That is why most people reading this right now, may not get this, or want to believe it. But if you look into yourselves, there can be no doubt.

www.infowars.com Has lots of great articles, and not the brainwashed lies given by the mainstream media.

Follow your intuition, and you will know im telling the truth, albeit a pathetic attempt to describe whats going on. Sorry about that. But look into it yourself.

Listen, i don't even care about politics, but you guys are so involved you think you know how the world works, but seriously you guys haven't even got a clue, what is really going on. You think it has solidity, but it is all just a joke, its designed to keep our minds occupied with maya. You see it all comes back to what God really put us here on the Earth for. We came to learn about the truth, but we have become too engrossed with the illusion.

I know im not that good explaining, but i hope to God, that he will lead you to the truth, about our "politics." You guys have so much knowledge on Sikhi, but then it seems to me as if you keep it separate from you daily work, as if you do your job, chores education whatever, then we practice Sikhi in whatever time you have got left. Like we discuss these political issues like they are something real, but as Sikh's we should just know all these problems are down to people's greed, egotism and pride. But really everything in our lives should be Sikhi orientated. From our work, to politics it should be based on Sikhi, not this crap we get from our governments, who don't even believe in God. I hope im making sense, and i know im a hypocrite and not better than those who i critisize, so im sorry. But im just saying you guys should be perfect, why are you anything less? God made us with his insignia embedded within our hearts!

Oh any by the way im not saying the dictators, that are in power now are good, they are evil men, however what the "NWO" want, through the UN, is to put even more of their own corrupt leaders in, who are far worse, so it won't help really. What we need is a spiritual revolution! Although the people are revolting over real issues, like people don't have food, water; here in the UK people striking over school tuition fees etc But really we need to solve the root cause of all problems, which is lack of spirituality. Thats why we got to create a revolution within our own minds first!

[dalsingh101]

Fair enough bhaer come to Punjab work as servants and slog out on the farm while we do the paper work and purchasing, end of the day bahier in Punjab gets 2-3000 rs a month he wouldn't get have that in Bihar, but they need to kept under manners i.e. No voting rights.

Hammertime, can you imagine if the people running Britain/US were as twisted with Sikhs there (think about your family)?

Although I strongly agree with the sentiment that certain western European natures (especially Britain) need to stop trying to resurrect their old imperial ambition for resource domination albeit in a new modified fashion. Your own ignorance and lack of compassion sort of takes the steam out of your argument.

[singh1986]

Would just like to point out that having an Anti-Gaddafi stance is to the detriment of British economic interests. We already had very favourable access to Libyan oil, if anything if this was about resources Britian would keep the status quo.

Now Potentially in the future, America/france etc will gain a larger slice of Libyan oil...

I dont think it is about oil...

[dalsingh101]

Would just like to point out that having an Anti-Gaddafi stance is to the detriment of British economic interests. We already had very favourable access to Libyan oil, if anything if this was about resources Britian would keep the status quo.

Now Potentially in the future, America/france etc will gain a larger slice of Libyan oil...

I dont think it is about oil...

Brits just hedged their bets. Yes, they had recently (VERY begrudgingly) developed a cosy relationship with Gaddafi but in light of their conspicuous posturing on human rights, democracy and whatnot, they could only ignore what was going on in the country so much. I believe they wanted to try and keep their privileges regardless of which side won in this conflict. Hence reaching out to the rebels with the debacle of the recent SAS incident.

They've been feeling around diplomatically in the last few weeks and found others who made 'agreeable noises' amongst the Europeans and even Arabs. This emboldened them to make offensive military maneuvers with others.

This is about oil and having a more compliant leadership in the country in my opinion.

The other thing to note for politically minded Sikhs is how, when it suits their agenda/interests, Brits will cosy up to dictators, whom they have no qualms about ruthlessly turning on, when the odds are stacked in their favour.

This has some parallels with the Anglo-Sikh war too. Then the Brits had suffered serious reverses in Afghanistan and lost much prestige. Subsequently they found a very rich but troubled Sikh kingdom (after the death of Maharajah Ranjit Singh). When the time was right they found some pretext to invade the country and did so, stripping it of much of its material wealth during the 'annexation'.