Dudley Protest - Violence

[PAL 07 210]

the treaty of versaille was a one sided agreement designed to weaken Germany after WW1 they had little land to call their own and allowed to keep a limited army - hitler soon wrecked carnage on France with a strategy that was one of the best ever seen in history and indeed admired by all today...i recommend all to definitely watch the

documentary Apocalypse WW2 its available on youtube.

WHAT HAPPENED ON 28TH WAS MERELY THE SIGNING OF THE TREATY OF VERSAILLE - DONT LET VICTORY GET TO YOUR HEAD WE FACE MUCH GREATER DANGERS

[steelman 4]

The ironic thing is that the protest was held because a Gurdwara associated property was not being respected due to meat and alcohol.

Yet the very same building was vandalised by the protesters.

Where was the respect then? :unsure2:

[ub1 1]

Yes. If you live in Basingstoke.

By the way......a question mark looks like this : ? Try not to confuse it with an exclamation mark.

When the Dudley gurdwara supporters club were looking for a volunteer to come on here and argue the cause....were you really the best they could find ?

I'm not a dudley supporter.

Thank you for the English and Cultural Studies lecture -noted and respected.

I am a Greenford High School Alumini and English is like a 'D' grade at GCSE. I am not blessed like you West London Singh (probably middle class, privately educated, lives in Holland Park).

Dont rip me bro, i am doing the best with the intelligence the guru has given me.

[Singhstah 289]

The ironic thing is that the protest was held because a Gurdwara associated property was not being respected due to meat and alcohol.

Yet the very same building was vandalised by the protesters.

Where was the respect then? :unsure2:

Respecting the property? We are not hindus that worship stone, it was about respect for Guru Sahib. In 1986 Sikhs even demolished the Sarkari Takht made in place of the Akaal Takth, there is nothing sacred about a building, least of all one made for booze ups.

[Dudleysingh 110]

Respecting the property? We are not hindus that worship stone, it was about respect for Guru Sahib. In 1986 Sikhs even demolished the Sarkari Takht made in place of the Akaal Takth, there is nothing sacred about a building, least of all one made for booze ups.

But your not above the law of the land... if you dont agree, fair enough. but in the uk property has a value, so do people

2 people and a PC were injured.... how can you allow for this to happen, and still be proud.

anyone who has seen the signed documents know that there not worth the paper they are written on... i have seen them,

theres even a plea for the release of those arrested. though this campaign was went to have staying power, or dont you want your boys behind bars.

The ironic thing is that the protest was held because a Gurdwara associated property was not being respected due to meat and alcohol.

Yet the very same building was vandalised by the protesters.

Where was the respect then? :unsure2:

Well said... respect

[Dudleysingh 110]

Gurdwaray affiliated places shouldn't be profiting from that type of thing. It becomes corrupted then.

Even apnay who drink and eat meat don't feel such things should go on in Gurdwara affiliated places. I don't understand why that committee insisted so much?

No one is forcing people to quit drinking or eating meat. They just don't want it in Gurdwara associated places. That's not an unreasonable request.

So this is an open question....

what the proposal of the sikh sangat, sikh TV, Sikh channel, and the akal takth - to fund the upkeep of the hall?

you've got them to sign that they cant sell it.

they have to find money to fix it, and any other costs associated with saturday

what the proposal, you looking at around £30K per year.

pls be realistic just for one moment

and i dont mean anything to do with meat , booze or parties.

[Ksinghni 4]

A penji's perspective on what happened

Please read

http://imandeepkaur.wordpress.com/2011/05/29/national-anti-–-beadbi-rally-at-guru-nanak-singh-sabha-gurdwara-dudley-on-saturday-28th-may-2011/

[Toofana 51]

When the Vatican or Church of England issue religious edicts applicable to Churches worldwide, the UK churches follow suit. Our Akal Takht does the same but it appears that some committees like to pick and choose. Regardless of what's been happening at the hall for the past twenty years it has to stop. This is not only Dudley sangats hall it is every Sikhs nationwide and the same is applicable for Gurudwara related property nationwide. There are plenty of suitable locations for parties where meat and alcohol are to be consumed in the black country and beyond. You mention three injured persons but fail to mention the PEACEFUL protestors who were assaulted, abused and spat on by the party 'revellers'. This is all the committees doing coupled with poor Police mediation and equally poor Police performance on the day.

[Dudleysingh 110]

When the Vatican or Church of England issue religious edicts applicable to Churches worldwide, the UK churches follow suit. Our Akal Takht does the same but it appears that some committees like to pick and choose. Regardless of what's been happening at the hall for the past twenty years it has to stop. This is not only Dudley sangats hall it is every Sikhs nationwide and the same is applicable for Gurudwara related property nationwide. There are plenty of suitable locations for parties where meat and alcohol are to be consumed in the black country and beyond. You mention three injured persons but fail to mention the PEACEFUL protestors who were assaulted, abused and spat on by the party 'revellers'. This is all the committees doing coupled with poor Police mediation and equally poor Police performance on the day.

one act of violance is one too many

you know that.

[Ksinghni 4]

Dudleysingh, I would rather the gurdwara close than to have one that does maha beadbi of our king of kings, Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Wherever there is true Satkaar of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, GuruSahib does kirpa. Wherever there is beadbi, then the people responsible will face hardships, in one form of another, be it opposing sangat, or even to the extent of ones own health suffering. At the end of the day, one is answerable to Dharam Raj.

So please stop the cleverness in the negative posts about the Satkaar campaign. It's getting boring now. You've made your point.

[Toofana 51]

Yes its a shame the committee deliberately deceived the Police and larger Sikh community and now shamelessly portray to the media they are the victims

[Dudleysingh 110]

Dudleysingh, I would rather the gurdwara close than to have one that does maha beadbi of our king of kings, Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Wherever there is true Satkaar of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, GuruSahib does kirpa. Wherever there is beadbi, then the people responsible will face hardships, in one form of another, be it opposing sangat, or even to the extent of ones own health suffering. At the end of the day, one is answerable to Dharam Raj.

So please stop the cleverness in the negative posts about the Satkaar campaign. It's getting boring now. You've made your point.

Thanks for your honesty,

so 1st option...what your saying is for GNSS to close its doors for good.

any thoughts for funding the facilities, your comments would be appreciated.

for the record i'm against the methods used, and like anyone, i dont garee with meat and booze in the Gurdwara building itself.

its not about being clever

Yes its a shame the committee deliberately deceived the Police and larger Sikh community and now shamelessly portray to the media they are the victims

someone comes and smashes up the building ..then yes they are victims, its the law of the land

[Ksinghni 4]

Yes, I would prefer to have the gurdwara shut for good if the committee and sangat find it so difficult to adhere to basic gurmat principles.

Ways to bring income would be organising events that involve the whole community and if you base these events purely on gurmat, you will start seeing yourself how much kirpa will be bestowed on the Gurdwara Sahib. Guru Sahib will do so much kirpa that you won't even need to worry about money, that's a promise.

Gurdwara Sahibs can organise, punjabi classes, kirtan classes, learning tabla or vajaa, have kids camps, santhiya classes etc you'll be amazed how much demand is out there. Have Gatka classes, have days where health professionals attend to do talks about importance of diet, fitness, health (being made aware of hypertention and diabetes etc) The power of sangat should never be underestimated, sangat will themselves donate more and more.

We always look at 'quick' fix solutions. Getting £300 quid from a party maybe attractive in the short run, but doing some gurmat based events will be an investment in the long one. You may not get quick fix results straight away, but as long as you're adhering to the basic Sikh sentiments that are expected then I promise you, GuruSahib WILL do kirpa....

[dalsingh101 414]

So this is an open question....

what the proposal of the sikh sangat, sikh TV, Sikh channel, and the akal takth - to fund the upkeep of the hall?

you've got them to sign that they cant sell it.

they have to find money to fix it, and any other costs associated with saturday

what the proposal, you looking at around £30K per year.

pls be realistic just for one moment

and i dont mean anything to do with meat , booze or parties.

You know what. You've touched on an important question.

Personally I feel that frequently Gurdwara committees have very little imagination when it comes to using property constructively. There are loads of things that could be set up to help generate income. You could open up a nursery, a gym, hold tuition classes for students who need it, music classes (as in baja, tabla etc.), vegetarian cooking classes.

[Dudleysingh 110]

Yes, I would prefer to have the gurdwara shut for good if the committee and sangat find it so difficult to adhere to basic gurmat principles.

Ways to bring income would be organising events that involve the whole community and if you base these events purely on gurmat, you will start seeing yourself how much kirpa will be bestowed on the Gurdwara Sahib. Guru Sahib will do so much kirpa that you won't even need to worry about money, that's a promise.

Gurdwara Sahibs can organise, punjabi classes, kirtan classes, learning tabla or vajaa, have kids camps, santhiya classes etc you'll be amazed how much demand is out there. Have Gatka classes, have days where health professionals attend to do talks about importance of diet, fitness, health (being made aware of hypertention and diabetes etc) The power of sangat should never be underestimated, sangat will themselves donate more and more.

We always look at 'quick' fix solutions. Getting £300 quid from a party maybe attractive in the short run, but doing some gurmat based events will be an investment in the long one. You may not get quick fix results straight away, but as long as you're adhering to the basic Sikh sentiments that are expected then I promise you, GuruSahib WILL do kirpa....

to be fair, shutting down the gurdwara is probably not a viable option, its been ther for 40 years....

now you do make some vailid points on the activities that can happen there, but remember its a community facility... ie not just Sikh.. thats the basis of the planning permission.

these activities use funds, and i know you say the sangat will donate.

there no place that crages £300 for use of its hall, anywere in the uk, lets be realistic.

like i said some good points, closure is not a real option,

Yes, I would prefer to have the gurdwara shut for good if the committee and sangat find it so difficult to adhere to basic gurmat principles.

Ways to bring income would be organising events that involve the whole community and if you base these events purely on gurmat, you will start seeing yourself how much kirpa will be bestowed on the Gurdwara Sahib. Guru Sahib will do so much kirpa that you won't even need to worry about money, that's a promise.

Gurdwara Sahibs can organise, punjabi classes, kirtan classes, learning tabla or vajaa, have kids camps, santhiya classes etc you'll be amazed how much demand is out there. Have Gatka classes, have days where health professionals attend to do talks about importance of diet, fitness, health (being made aware of hypertention and diabetes etc) The power of sangat should never be underestimated, sangat will themselves donate more and more.

We always look at 'quick' fix solutions. Getting £300 quid from a party maybe attractive in the short run, but doing some gurmat based events will be an investment in the long one. You may not get quick fix results straight away, but as long as you're adhering to the basic Sikh sentiments that are expected then I promise you, GuruSahib WILL do kirpa....

to be fair, shutting down the gurdwara is probably not a viable option, its been ther for 40 years....

now you do make some vailid points on the activities that can happen there, but remember its a community facility... ie not just Sikh.. thats the basis of the planning permission.

these activities use funds, and i know you say the sangat will donate.

there no place that charges £300 for use of its hall, anywere in the uk, lets be realistic.

like i said some good points, closure is not a real option,