Don'T Worry About Sikhism, Because?

[SantLUCIFER 29]

Guru Pyari Sadh Sangat Ji...

Alot of people are worried about the decline in Sikhi. Some fear not many are following the Sikh path according to the Religion, some fear those that wear the Gursikh Bana are not actually practising Sikhi, but commit sins etc etc. All of that is true. But if you look around the other main religions are going through the same issues. Christianity decline, Islam decline, the terrorists who use Islam for the wrong reasons and so on.

But what gets me through the day is this tiny element of what Shahi- Shenshah Dasam Guru Nanak Dev Ji Mahraaj says....

Khoaar ho-ae sabh milaingae bachay sharan jo ho-ae

Those that are lost, all of them shall unite. This is the message of Akal Purakh so be not disheartened Pure Ones.

Fateh Ji.

Man Kyon Bairaag Karega Satgur Mera Poora

- Oh Mind Why Are You Sad? My Guru Is Perfect.

[VanHelsingh 1,985]

But what gets me through the day is this tiny element of what Shahi- Shenshah Dasam Guru Nanak Dev Ji Mahraaj says....

Khoaar ho-ae sabh milaingae bachay sharan jo ho-ae

Those that are lost, all of them shall unite. This is the message of Akal Purakh so be not disheartened Pure Ones.

So very true. Wonderful sentiments, brother.

[Beginner 95]

The purification of Sikhi may require the impure ones to stray from the path.

[JSinghnz 1,086]

The purification of Sikhi may require the impure ones to stray from the path.

And what do you mean by that?

Better to enlighten us with your thoughts rather than just making vague statements.

[SantLUCIFER 29]

The purification of Sikhi may require the impure ones to stray from the path.

If it's within his Hukam they too shall be purified once again.

[Beginner 95]

And what do you mean by that?

Better to enlighten us with your thoughts rather than just making vague statements.

That to make Sikhism pure, we need more pure people, (not saying I am), into Sikhi, and less impure (fakes, beadbi pracharaks, w.e.), so if these fakes don't want anything to do with Sikhi, it's not a HUGe loss

[SarabhaPanjab 242]

if you have love for the members of your family, and your seeing your family fall apart you will do as much as you can in your power to make things right. Beyond that it's out of your control and at all times you remain Chardikala.

A Panthic Sewadar should be the same. He should be koumi Dhardi, he should feel the pain of our people. The pain of poverty ridden shaheed families, our brothers on drugs, our sisters selling themselves short.homeland occupied by butchers. the pain must remain there, the spark must be present at the same time remain chardikala. think concisely, make short/med/long term plans.. help Sikh schools for the future.. educate the families now.. send money to Shaheed pariwaars.

often people come out with elaborate theories, super saakhis and random quotes, try to explain theories such as karam, hukam.. blah blah.. just to make them selves feel ok about doing NOTHING.. that's all i see.

When it comes to their own families.. then nothing is left to hukkam or karam. relentlessly seek best schools, homes, cars education.. leaving nothing to chance...

[pedrorizzo 42]

if you have love for the members of your family, and your seeing your family fall apart you will do as much as you can in your power to make things right. Beyond that it's out of your control and at all times you remain Chardikala.

A Panthic Sewadar should be the same. He should be koumi Dhardi, he should feel the pain of our people. The pain of poverty ridden shaheed families, our brothers on drugs, our sisters selling themselves short.homeland occupied by butchers. the pain must remain there, the spark must be present at the same time remain chardikala. think concisely, make short/med/long term plans.. help Sikh schools for the future.. educate the families now.. send money to Shaheed pariwaars.

often people come out with elaborate theories, super saakhis and random quotes, try to explain theories such as karam, hukam.. blah blah.. just to make them selves feel ok about doing NOTHING.. that's all i see.

When it comes to their own families.. then nothing is left to hukkam or karam. relentlessly seek best schools, homes, cars education.. leaving nothing to chance...

Good points

[KhalistaniGunMan 291]

hukam and activism go hand in hand...you cant excpect to watch tv all day and then get as in your exams...just like you cant expect to preserve your culture and religion without being active..which means doing seva and parchaar for the future of the panth

[Only five 1,124]

if you have love for the members of your family, and your seeing your family fall apart you will do as much as you can in your power to make things right. Beyond that it's out of your control and at all times you remain Chardikala.

A Panthic Sewadar should be the same. He should be koumi Dhardi, he should feel the pain of our people. The pain of poverty ridden shaheed families, our brothers on drugs, our sisters selling themselves short.homeland occupied by butchers. the pain must remain there, the spark must be present at the same time remain chardikala. think concisely, make short/med/long term plans.. help Sikh schools for the future.. educate the families now.. send money to Shaheed pariwaars.

often people come out with elaborate theories, super saakhis and random quotes, try to explain theories such as karam, hukam.. blah blah.. just to make them selves feel ok about doing NOTHING.. that's all i see.

When it comes to their own families.. then nothing is left to hukkam or karam. relentlessly seek best schools, homes, cars education.. leaving nothing to chance...

Awesome post.......

And its not about saving Sikhi, but making others lives better. Just another way to look at it. Will anyone let a man die before their eyes, where he could have been saved by some water? So why let people die a spiritual death before your eyes. Like Gurbani says, understand what true death is and a person's focus changes on what people need help in. Develop the eyes to see what death is?

[VanHelsingh 1,985]

often people come out with elaborate theories, super saakhis and random quotes, try to explain theories such as karam, hukam.. blah blah.. just to make them selves feel ok about doing NOTHING.. that's all i see.

When it comes to their own families.. then nothing is left to hukkam or karam. relentlessly seek best schools, homes, cars education.. leaving nothing to chance...

Absolutely spot-on.

[SantLUCIFER 29]

if you have love for the members of your family, and your seeing your family fall apart you will do as much as you can in your power to make things right. Beyond that it's out of your control and at all times you remain Chardikala.

A Panthic Sewadar should be the same. He should be koumi Dhardi, he should feel the pain of our people. The pain of poverty ridden shaheed families, our brothers on drugs, our sisters selling themselves short.homeland occupied by butchers. the pain must remain there, the spark must be present at the same time remain chardikala. think concisely, make short/med/long term plans.. help Sikh schools for the future.. educate the families now.. send money to Shaheed pariwaars.

often people come out with elaborate theories, super saakhis and random quotes, try to explain theories such as karam, hukam.. blah blah.. just to make them selves feel ok about doing NOTHING.. that's all i see.

When it comes to their own families.. then nothing is left to hukkam or karam. relentlessly seek best schools, homes, cars education.. leaving nothing to chance...

My post had nothing to do with what you've said. The reason I made it was so many Sikhs feel disheartened and may feel they too need not continue due to the negatives they see around them. So if it assists them to remain Chardikala, then that's not negative. Do as much as one can for the Panth but if does not bring to fruition to what you've expected be not worried.

Fateh.

[Jonny101 4,402]

The thing is, we have nothing but worry for our Panth. At least with other religions they have some postive news which makes the faithful happy. But the situation for the Sikhs is extremely depressing.

-The rise of the Kala Afghani heretic movement. They have managed to impress most so called Khalistanis to join their camp. The missionaries have whole heartedly joined the Kala afghani movement.

-Today's Sikh has absolutely no respect for the authority of the Akaal Takht. When the Akal Takht says one thing, Sikhs today do their own marzee instead of listening to the Akaal takht. We can see this recentely with how most Sikhs are disregarding the directive of the Akal takht to no avoid the Akhauti Parcharak Dhundha.

-As for Akal Takht's Jathadar, sorry to say he is little more than a puppet of Badal. As a result the authority of the Akal Takht gets damaged. People say, "why should we listen to the Akal takht, it's Jathadar is a chamcha of Badal".

-The once great Sikh party Shiromani Akali Dal is the personal property of Badal. During the Gurdwara reform movement, hundreds of Sikhs attained shaheedi and formed this party, now this party is working against Sikh interests.

-The Sant Samaj is now openingly supporting Badal and even formed an alliance with them. This is very depressing for the general Sikh population. Kala Afghanis, missionaries who used to openly say all sorts of bad things about Sants are now saying "See! we told you so".

-We still have no been able to get justice for 1984 and the blood bath Sikhs indured after 84.

-Almost the whole Panth has become Patit. Today in Punjab all males under 35 are mostly Patit.

-Our so called Sikh girls(even in India) only want to marry Patits/monay. They don't want to marry Saabat Soorat Gursikh males. As a result many young men are becoming Patit.

-Our gender imbalance is also something which puts us to shame.

-We are losing our members to Radhasoamis and other fake Gurudoms at an alarming rate.

Do we have anything positive going on in the Panth? I don't think so. Our situation is very very very depressing and sad. Only Guru jee can help us.

[VanHelsingh 1,985]

The thing is, we have nothing but worry for our Panth. At least with other religions they have some postive news which makes the faithful happy. But the situation for the Sikhs is extremely depressing.

-The rise of the Kala Afghani heretic movement. They have managed to impress most so called Khalistanis to join their camp. The missionaries have whole heartedly joined the Kala afghani movement.

-Today's Sikh has absolutely no respect for the authority of the Akaal Takht. When the Akal Takht says one thing, Sikhs today do their own marzee instead of listening to the Akaal takht. We can see this recentely with how most Sikhs are disregarding the directive of the Akal takht to no avoid the Akhauti Parcharak Dhundha.

-As for Akal Takht's Jathadar, sorry to say he is little more than a puppet of Badal. As a result the authority of the Akal Takht gets damaged. People say, "why should we listen to the Akal takht, it's Jathadar is a chamcha of Badal".

-The once great Sikh party Shiromani Akali Dal is the personal property of Badal. During the Gurdwara reform movement, hundreds of Sikhs attained shaheedi and formed this party, now this party is working against Sikh interests.

-The Sant Samaj is now openingly supporting Badal and even formed an alliance with them. This is very depressing for the general Sikh population. Kala Afghanis, missionaries who used to openly say all sorts of bad things about Sants are now saying "See! we told you so".

-We still have no been able to get justice for 1984 and the blood bath Sikhs indured after 84.

-Almost the whole Panth has become Patit. Today in Punjab all males under 35 are mostly Patit.

-Our so called Sikh girls(even in India) only want to marry Patits/monay. They don't want to marry Saabat Soorat Gursikh males. As a result many young men are becoming Patit.

-Our gender imbalance is also something which puts us to shame.

-We are losing our members to Radhasoamis and other fake Gurudoms at an alarming rate.

Do we have anything positive going on in the Panth? I don't think so. Our situation is very very very depressing and sad. Only Guru jee can help us.

A depressing but true read.

I suppose as individuals we can only affect and control our own individual lives. If we master our own jeevans and enough Sikhs do so successfully, then change can occur. But it will take time.

I stopped looking towards India / Panjab for inspiration a long time ago. There is a thread in the Gupt section about bringing up children in a foreign country in the Gursikh way, and the associated problems and fears of being far from Panjab and the knock-on effect this has on children in terms of their knowledge and love for the faith diminishing because they aren't around many Sikhs and Sikh institutions, etc. I would say there is a greater quality of Sikh in foreign countries than there are in Panjab. I haven't got any numbers to back-up my claim but I'm basing my opinion on observation.

One final issue I would like to make is regarding monay Sikhs (yes, I'm aware some don't consider them to be Sikhs, but for arguments sake I'll call them Sikhs in order to make my point). There are many monay who have a lot of love and respect for our Gurus, Gurbani, our shaheeds and our glorious history. Yes could you argue "Well they obviously don't love Sikhi enough to become keshdhari / amritdhari". Whilst this is an extremely valid argument I would say we need to reach out to those monay Sikhs who DO have affection for the faith as they are different to those who mock and belittle the Gursikh way. The issue isn't as black and white as it is sometimes portrayed. If we extend a hand of friendship and brotherhood - genuinely and not because we just want to swell our ranks - then reaching out to monay who are as passionate and in some cases as knowledgeable about Sikhi as your average Gursikh is key.

We need to nip this worrying "Them and Us" situation that is developing in places like the UK between Gursikhs and monay. This will only happen with dialogue and not with segregation and hostility.

I find a monay who embraces the Gursikh way of life out of his own volition is more valuable than a keshdhari who follows Sikhi because he's scared of his dad if he doesn't toe the Sikh line. We don't want paper Sikhs - we want the genuine article and that comes from within to begin with. Once you start following the Gursikh way and once Gurbani starts having an effect on your aatma, the kesh, the dhaari, the amrit, etc., will eventually come. I have no doubt about this.

Anyway sorry to digress. I guess my point is that let's look at ourselves and become the best darn Sikhs we can be individually, and then hope others are doing the same then move forward from that point.

[SikherOfTheNaam 29]

People often say that out of the world faiths, it is Christians who are the most pessimistic due to the concept of eternal damnation looming over their heads, along with Original Sin - being born into sin, living in sin and possibly dying in sin.

However, I think that title has been wrongly given and actually belongs to Sikhs.

Never have I known a faith group to be so pessimistic about absolutely everything!