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[Guroo Guroo Jaap]

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa, Vaheguru ji ki Fateh Sangat Jio

Those Vadabhagi Gurmukh Pyare that have had the darshan of Guru Sahib will tell you that they look nothing like that photo of Sobha Singh, not even a tiny bit. So I can only suggest that that image shouldn't be used. That image shows a fat person with soft hands. Guru sahib was not fat or have soft hands as they used to do kethi so would have rough hands. Also they never wore a dastaar.

There are alot of people that I personally know of people who treat these photo's the same as Hindu's treat there idols. They do pooja to the photo's, light dhoof, jot etc infront of them. There is one person who keeps these photos of guru sahib and every night he puts them in bed and every morning gets them out of bed.

What evidence do you have that you dare to say that guroo Nanak dev jee mahraj never wore a dastaar?

[Guest gupt]

What evidence do you have that you dare to say that guroo Nanak dev jee mahraj never wore a dastaar?

Guru Sahibs all wore a seli topi until Guru Hargobind sahib Ji.

[jang123]

Guru Sahibs all wore a seli topi until Guru Hargobind sahib Ji.

Evidence please - other than paintings which artists depict.

[Wicked Warrior]

There is a seli topi at kiratpur sahib I think.

[Sherdil]

There is a seli topi at kiratpur sahib I think.

Seli Topi and Talwar of Guru Hargobind ji

[ASinghKhalsa]

We don't have any "artist impressions" in our house. I am strongly against idol worship which certain backwards individuals carry out mindlessly like a robot! Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj resides not far from my house so that's where I go when I want to see a REAL picture of the 10 Maharaj sahibs in my mind.

BOLE SO NIHAAL SAT SRIIIII AKAAAAALLLLL!

[N30S1NGH]

Picture be it artistic or real as sunsingh pointed out it's serve as reminder. It's huge generalization to suggest just because you have pictures of guru sahib, saints/soldiers in your house that indicates one is idol worshiping, its quite a insult and those who suggest that are clearly out of depth.

Idol worshiping have two forms- physical form and subtle form in one's mind. What we have done is we have condemned (rightly so) physical form of idol worshiping in sikhi- dhoof in front of picture and rightly so but sometimes so much so much that we have gone extreme lengths of removing fresco of our guru sahiban and destroyed our heritage in doing so in insecurity, paranoia.. now condemnation of physical idol worship is right but removing our heritage fresco/ discouraging artist expression references and destroying our heritage in insecurity that is totally wrong and quite frankly nothing but knee J E R K Reaction.

But what we also missed to address is subtle form of idol worshiping which is quite important one. You see idol worshiping have broader implications when in its subtle form its usually do with one's mind/perception than actual subject (picture). You could simply have no pictures in your house hold nor in your wallet but still be idol worshipper..how? Here is how, if your perception is stuck where we confine our guru sahib jot only in sargun saroop of sri guru granth sahib ji instead of hazar-nazar as well everywhere, inside everyone- your perception unintentionally is committing border line of idol worshiping..Jagadi Jot of all guru sahiban is in sri guru granth sahib ji there is no question about it nor they should be doubts or questions, but is guru sahib is confined to sargun saroop of sri guru granth sahib ji only?? No they clearly NOT......"confining" is the crux of argument here...We have iconic historical moment of sri guru nanak dev ji teaching lessons to Muslims of them confining their allah in the mecca..i thought we learned it from that historical event..i guess apparently *NOT* allah/Vahiguroo is everywhere lets not confine it. we are committing idol worshipping when confining vahiguroo who is sarab vyapak.!!!

Guru maharaj is sargun, nirgun(gyan) and shabad. When we think of guru sahib if we never bring all these aspects of guru sahib and "always" conditioned to be attached to one aspect of guru sahib we are committing idol worshiping as we are confining guru sahib.

So lets just honest with ourselves and look at "all" aspects of idol worshiping than just the physical one..!!

[jang123]

Re seli topi:

We can not consider this as evidence as some shardhaloos presented the topi to Guru Sahib and they kept it BUT did not wear it! Its like saying a muslim honoured me with a topi and because I did not refuse to take it, it means I wear it.

[N30S1NGH]

Regarding Seli topi, I wouldn't be suprised if guru maharaj wore it especially when guru maharaj travelled in muslim countries but to suggest they wore it all the time until guru hargobind sahib time, in my opinion its taking bit too far by lefties and going over board with it.

[DustOfYourFeet]

Nobody said that they wore it all the time.